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From Andrey Kurdumov <kant2...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Understanding the Cordova developer better - Cordova developer survey
Date Sun, 04 Oct 2015 05:42:07 GMT
Would be good separate 4.a question "Documentation for the Cordova
platforms and CLI" on two separate questions.
Since I have different opinion on both of CLI and platform docs. CLI I
would range on the 8 or 9 9 (nobody perfect), but platform docs are closer
to 4 (need significant improvements) for me.
Both are very strong feeling, and I have to or average results, or select
which part is more important for me.

2015-10-04 11:04 GMT+06:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:

> Yeah I like "released"
>
> Yeah no need to get usage info on this survey now.
>
> - Carlos
> Sent from my iPhone 6s
>
> > On Oct 4, 2015, at 12:51 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Great feedback, you're right, I was thinking totally app-store-centric.
> > How about 'released' instead of 'published'?
> >
> > I'm not sure if usage info is relevant here, it is interesting no doubt,
> > but I think the goal of this survey was to get info on making the app
> > developer experience better. There is a multitude of non-cordova factors
> > that affect usage; (price, design, app type, market competition, ... )
> > Personally I think usage stats are probably more relevant in the app
> > showcase pages, or in another usage targeted survey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My team is hiring!
> > @purplecabbage
> > risingj.com
> >
> >> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> For the question on how many published, don't know if it will be good to
> >> use a different word than "published". I personally associate that with
> a
> >> App Store on quick read
> >>
> >> Most of our customers don't published their apps to a store, they have
> >> them in production internally because they are business to employee or
> >> business to business.
> >>
> >> What about using "apps currently in production" or "apps currently being
> >> actively  user by users" or another term to be inclusive of apps not
> being
> >> distributed by public store
> >>
> >> Another question, how many users using your app in a monthly basis? Is
> >> that important to know how many users is the app being used by? Like I
> have
> >> one app but that one app being downloaded 1,000 monthly and used by
> 50,000
> >> users :-)
> >>
> >> - Carlos
> >> Sent from my iPhone 6s
> >>
> >>> On Oct 3, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was able to update the survey.
> >>>
> >>> 1. I made some minor grammatical corrections and added some missing '?'
> >>> 2. Moved the 'What do you love/hate about cordova to the end"
> >>> 3. And added my plugins question. Which ones do you use?
> >>> 4. Also added Dave's 'would you recommend Cordova' question.
> >>>
> >>> Conceptually, I am having trouble with this one:
> >>> How far along are you in the development of your Cordova app?
> >>> I added a 'How many cordova apps have you published?' question as I
> think
> >>> it more relevant. Unfortunately we cannot make 'How far along ..'
> >>> conditional on 'How-many' being <1 because we are using the free
> version.
> >>>
> >>> I *expect* that we will see roughly half of respondents have published
> >> more
> >>> than 1 app, which would make the 'How far along...' question moot, but
> I
> >>> could be wrong.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My team is hiring!
> >>> @purplecabbage
> >>> risingj.com
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sure, I guess we will have to create a new account and put the
> >> credentials
> >>>> in SVN, right ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/1/15, 11:43 AM, "Jesse" <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I was not able to log in and make the changes.
> >>>>> Can we change the typeform account login to not use google SSO?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=TXSgNNTM5c9GSN01I7SMlsCEWdBcdeQT%2bBSnLLUX5Mg%3d
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave Johnson <
> >> dave.c.johnson@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> we should also have an NPS question at the end of every survey
sent
> >> out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "how likely is it that you would recommend Apache Cordova to
a
> friend
> >> of
> >>>>>> colleague"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yep, I'll do that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=TXSgNNTM5c9GSN01I7SMlsCEWdBcdeQT%2bBSnLLUX5Mg%3d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Parashuram N <
> >> panarasi@microsoft.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jesse, did you mean I combine those options in the same
line ?
> Can I
> >>>>>>>> request you to edit the form directly ? May be quicker.
This is at
> >>>>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=Typeform.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c0bfbaed69bcc4357faa208d2ca90301d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lvNH9UyN%2bfVF9%2fm9%2f6vD%2fQUrYtZNrPBLALmYJgw2DV0%3d
> >> ,
> >>>> and you can login via Google -
> >>>>>> apachecordovabot@gmail.com.
> >>>>>>>> Password in the SVN repo.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:40 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova developer better
- Cordova
> >>>>>>>> developer survey
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Something like this?
> >>>>>>>> ===
> >>>>>>>> Which of the following plugins do you use? Past or present,
check
> >>>> all
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> apply :
> >>>>>>>> Battery StatusBar   Camera
> >>>>>>>> Console Contacts
> >>>>>>>> Device Device Motion (Accelerometer)
> >>>>>>>> Device Orientation (Compass) Dialogs
> >>>>>>>> FileSystem File Transfer
> >>>>>>>> Geolocation Globalization
> >>>>>>>> InAppBrowser Media
> >>>>>>>> Media Capture Network Information (Connection) Splashscreen
> >>>> Vibration
> >>>>>>>> StatusBar
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is there a plugin that you wish existed? Or a third-party
plugin
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> use all the time?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My team is hiring!
> >>>>>>>> @purplecabbage
> >>>>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c972fcc7d0212468301c408d2c91ef8d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=KUV8islGByJhnuHjDSYxFYflQe5iKwFRqV%2fEdvsBXq0%3d
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Parashuram N <
> >>>> panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have not tweeted about it yet. I wanted to get
feedback from
> the
> >>>>>>>>> folks here - we are indeed getting good feedback.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> @Carlos, I have moved the open ended question to
the bottom.
> About
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> plugin question, I am waiting for Jesse's response.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:29 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova developer
better - Cordova
> >>>>>>>>> developer survey
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Have you tweeted about it yet? (Will help with an
RT.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Carlos Santana
<
> >>>>>> csantana23@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm with Joe on actionable items and with Jesse
on plugins area.
> >>>>>>>>>> What plugins you have used, which plugins have
giving you
> >>>> problems,
> >>>>>>>>>> how often do you upgrade platforms and plugins.
which plugin you
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>> always getting that you wish should be part
of cordova code (i.e
> >>>>>>>>>> push notifications, bluetooth, oauth)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:00 PM Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to make it the last question, and
I'd change it to
> >>>>>> general
> >>>>>>>>>>> feedback.  Spinning it so negative will
just get negative
> >>>>>> responses
> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO. We can just read JIRA to get that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Parashuram
N
> >>>>>>>>>>> <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> @Joe - that is good feedback - I was
not sure about it
> >>>> myself.
> >>>>>> Do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we want to just remove the first question
? The reason I
> >>>> kept it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> open ended was
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> see what things people really say. What
do you want to
> >>>> change it
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:49
PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Understanding the Cordova
developer better -
> >>>>>> Cordova
> >>>>>>>>>>>> developer survey
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is way too open ended.
 The first question
> >>>>>> shouldn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just be a giant area where users get
to talk about how they
> >>>> hate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the project, or the committers, or whatever.
 We get enough
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that already.  What we should do with
this survey is try and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> narrow it down to actionable things
that we can actually
> >>>> change.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Brian
LeRoux <b@brian.io>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surveys remind me of that Henry
Ford quote. Doesn't hurt
> >>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> them but I would not take the responses
too seriously or we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will end up with a faster horse.
;) On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:39 PM Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have had multiple discussions
on this mailing list
> >>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova users and various issues
they have with Cordova.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we draw closer to the Cordova
Face to Face meeting, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it would be interesting
to try to get some data
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand our users better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we dive deeper into some of
the topics. To this end, as a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first attempt,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created a survey that we could
send out to developers who
> >>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova for creating the apps.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The survey is available here
at
> >>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> f%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fapa
> >>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>> %2fto%2fBCc5co.&data=01%7c01%7cpana
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> si%40
> >>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>> %7cf16a647c798e4578855f08d2c90f87ec%7c72f988bf86
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> f1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41af9
> >>>>>> 1ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qBau%2fNlzJWgXOjrOfLslc0IRWEQOAD5Zu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FG68P
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> daI%3d You can use the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apachebot@gmail.com<mailto:apachebot@gmail.com>
> >>>> credentials
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> committer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN) to change the questions
or add more questions
> >>>> directly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The aim here is to understand
how they use Cordova, and
> >>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hate about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think about
doing this ?  - would this
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful
> >>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there more questions we
would like to ask our
> >>>>>> developers ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> ======================================================================
> >>>>>>>>> ===== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst
at IBM
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> Blog :
> >>>>>>
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.raymondcamden.c
> >>>>>>>>> om&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com
> >>>>>> %7c464fd58fcc5f43e6d42a08d2c
> >>>>>>
> 91d6108%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ch01WhXlTxzF9nUje
> >>>>>>>>> T75IKEbzUxbvp2BtJtxxTPSLQI%3d
> >>>>>>>>> Twitter: raymondcamden
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