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From Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Cordova website redesign
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:46:40 GMT
This sounds more like consensus!
I too am +1 on changing the typeface. 

Cheers,
  Jesse

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Parashuram N <panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 on the typeface - I think it does send the “modern-ness” message. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/8/15, 10:39 AM, "Carlos Santana" <csantana23@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> + 1 on the typeface
>> leave the logo as it is today (3d, gray, etc..)
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM Steven Gill <stevengill97@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1
>>>> On Oct 7, 2015 9:15 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well said, and ya updated typeface looks slick. 👍
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:10 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm personally a big fan of Ben's proposal. The typography really
>>> stands
>>>>> out and gives the brand a strong, updated and modern presence. I know
>>>>> there's a lot of pride in the heritage of the logo, and for that
>>> reason I
>>>>> wouldn't dream of losing our beloved robot. However, the typography is
>>> a
>>>>> different story.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it absolutely necessary? Well... that really depends on your
>>>>> perspective. From talking with many of you and other developers at
>>>>> conferences and events over the past year, I've heard a repeating theme
>>>>> that Cordova has a public-perception problem. A typography update won't
>>>>> change that perception by itself, but it will demonstrate that Cordova
>>>>> isn't staying still... that the project is evolving, growing and
>>>> improving.
>>>>> 
>>>>> </mytwocents>
>>>>> rjs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan J. Salva  |  Principal Program Manager Lead
>>>>> Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova
>>>>> rsalva@microsoft.com
>>>>> 206 612 5079 mobile
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tommy-Carlos Williams [mailto:tommy@devgeeks.org]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 12:21 PM
>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others
>>>> thought"
>>>>> category on this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no
>>> opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means
we
>>>>> don't need it.
>>>>>> I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on
it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bradga@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben
Sperry
>>>>> (his email is included below).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections
were
>>>>> raised.  This includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown
>>>> in
>>>>> picture A below.  Also, we may replace the background image with the
>>>> simple
>>>>> gradient as shown in picture B below.  Please let me know if there are
>>>> any
>>>>> concerns replacing this background image.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Brad Gashler
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A) New logo only
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> B) New logo and new gradient background
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io]
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
>>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals
to the
>>>>>>> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's
>>> still
>>>>> very much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of
>>>> confidence,
>>>>> love it!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself.
I
>>>>>>> put together a version that I thought might support the evolution
of
>>>>>>> Cordova into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback
on
>>> this
>>>>>>> early logo update mockup: regular
>>>>>>> <
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fioni
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>>> %2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png
>>>>>>> &data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com
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>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update -
the
>>>>> little robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The
>>>>> existing typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine,
>>> but
>>>>> can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My
>>> suggestion
>>>> is
>>>>> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this
>>>> case,
>>>>> Brandon Text <
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d
>>>>>> ).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão <
>>>>> frederico.galvao@pontoget.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Looks great indeed, nice job!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed is that
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fpro
>>>>>>>> je
>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=cts.apache.org&data=01%7c01%7cpanarasi%40microsoft.com%7c60f8e63b1c9a46d5e95208d2d00785b0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=lVvO3PkmcJVdQB0dgvNo5cbNePQbnHaDypcxs6A4RWI%3d
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>>>>>>>> os
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>>>>>>>> cd 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d
>>>>>>>> seems very outdated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This looks great.
>>>>>>>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column
to this page?
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcord
>>>>>>>> ov
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>>>>>>>> sp
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much
for taking care
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
>>>>>>>>>>> The community will love this.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva
<
>>>>>>>> ryanjsalva@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> TLDR
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova
website redesign
>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
>>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
>>>>>>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
>>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews
with 300+ mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we
identified six top
>>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>>> goals:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project
relevant to
>>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting
some rock
>>>>>>>>>>> star-quality apps
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a
diverse set of tools
>>>>>>>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet”
on Cordova
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience
with Cordova by adding
>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for
key concepts (e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising
the visibility
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow,
Twitter)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current
website (i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>> branding and content parity)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---- The long read ----
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers
from the Seattle
>>>>>>>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I)
have just completed a
>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> series
>>>>>>>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In
the past three months,
>>>>>>>> I’ve
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers.
The team has
>>>>>>>> collectively
>>>>>>>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot
and hope to share a
>>>>>>>>>>>> summary (with infographics!) of our insights
soon. In the
>>>>>>>> meantime, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes
from one
>>> interview.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”,
one Cordova
>>> developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> responded:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development.
I can prove that
>>>>>>>> it’s
>>>>>>>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to
prove it
>>> over-and-over
>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I wish that I didn’t have to have
the same conversation
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager
or client.” --
>>>>>>>> Murali,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem,
but one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s
front-door.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for
the last 5+ years,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address
some pain points
>>>> in
>>>>> the community.
>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception
problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when
there are few examples of
>>>>>>>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic
Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for
examples of good
>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are
possible. So, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality
apps on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add
their app so long as
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list
of apps gets too
>>>>>>>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize
display. The same is
>>>>>>>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that
build on top of
>>>>> Cordova.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform
development, it’s
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even
harder to know if
>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” --
Mike, Cordova Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address
this problem. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not
only illustrate how
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates
with the larger
>>>>> ecosystem (e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping
that by adding a little
>>>>>>>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can
help developers achieve
>>>>>>>>>>>> success faster. For example, we provide simple
instructions for
>>>>>>>>>>>> “Getting Started” on the home page. And,
on the Plugins page,
>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a quick explanation of plugins’
role in Cordova
>>>>> development.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.”
-- Geoff, Cordova
>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay…  none of us want to provide customer
support for the
>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>> community, but I want to make it easy for
people to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>> community. To that end, our goal was to integrate
prominent
>>>>>>>> pointers
>>>>>>>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates
– e.g. Slack,
>>>>>>>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well,
for people with more
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like
the right time for a
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling
developer need and
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>> risk in making the change.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to
get the new site
>>>>>>>> launched
>>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after
launch, it will be
>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need
to be fixed, please
>>>>>>>>>>>> file them here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f
>>>>>>>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205
>>>>>>>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d
>>>>>>>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=
>>>>>>>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
>>>>>>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
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>>>>>>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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