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From Tommy-Carlos Williams <to...@devgeeks.org>
Subject Re: Cordova website redesign
Date Wed, 07 Oct 2015 19:20:35 GMT
Yeah... I kinda fell into the "not sure, wait and see what others thought" category on this
one.  

I would also like more discussion unless everyone really has no opinion.  

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 05:42, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest that the lack of response on the logo change means we don't need it.

> I think there should at least be some discussion before moving on it. 
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Brad Gashler <bradga@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to follow up on the branding changes proposed by Ben Sperry (his email is
included below).
>> 
>> I’m planning on implementing his changes, since no objections were raised.  This
includes the new logo, with its modern typeface, as shown in picture A below.  Also, we may
replace the background image with the simple gradient as shown in picture B below.  Please
let me know if there are any concerns replacing this background image.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brad Gashler
>> 
>> 
>> A) New logo only
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> B) New logo and new gradient background
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io] 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>> 
>> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
>> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still very much alive
and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, love it!
>> 
>> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I put together
a version that I thought might support the evolution of Cordova into a more modern looking
brand. Would love feedback on this early logo update mockup: regular <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=oKVaCThqWbhTgak3efAaM%2f3f1d1wGyqazXPdboZjsAk%3d>
>> / flat
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.png&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vyJ80acz9%2bDPk4YZuidiCPknjl%2fwOCKN7KMyxem5jJg%3d>
>> 
>> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the little robot logo
itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The existing typeface is just plain-old
Helvetica, which is totally fine, but can sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness.
My suggestion is simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case,
Brandon Text <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFtGPbwutLEDyHils6NLuVjZrmSedM%2bPAM%2fv42v1E4s%3d>).
>> 
>> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão < frederico.galvao@pontoget.com.br>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks great indeed, nice job!
>>> 
>>> One thing I noticed is that
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fproje
>>> cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40micros
>>> oft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd
>>> 011db47%7c1&sdata=ZeVerioKs9Eu8faVlumAOu0bmmXPyqq6tJ5gsXU2KNM%3d
>>> seems very outdated.
>>> 
>>> 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> This looks great.
>>>> Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page?
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordov
>>> a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2fsp
>>> ec.html&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408
>>> d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=Ng%2fQbCHankWf
>>> qNC%2fx9Xsaj1OxfSkoMhaH97WmznRfeI%3d
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care
>>>>> of
>>> this.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
>>>>>> The community will love this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva <
>>> ryanjsalva@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> TLDR
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile
>>>>>>> developers. From these conversations, we identified six top
>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>> goals:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to
>>> developers
>>>>>>> in 2016 (the future!)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock
>>>>>> star-quality apps
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools
>>>>>>> and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding
>>> quick
>>>>>>> start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g.
>>>>>>> plugins)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility
>>>>>>> of public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e.
>>>>>>> branding and content parity)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---- The long read ----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle
>>>>>>> area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed
>>>>>>> a long
>>>> series
>>>>>>> of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three
>>>>>>> months,
>>> I’ve
>>>>>>> personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has
>>> collectively
>>>>>>> interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share
>>>>>>> a summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the
>>> meantime, I
>>>>>>> want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview.
>>>> When
>>>>>>> asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova
>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>> responded:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove
>>>>>>> that
>>> it’s
>>>>>>> the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it
>>>>>>> over-and-over again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the
>>>>>>> same conversation
>>> every
>>>>>>> time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.” --
>>> Murali,
>>>>>>> Cordova Developer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the
>>>>>>> easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door.
>>>>>>> The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years,
>>>>>>> but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points
in the community.
>>> To
>>>>>>> put it simply, we have a public perception problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples
of
>>>>>>> it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Developers and architects are looking for examples of good
>>>> development
>>>>>>> to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we
>>>>>>> thought
>>> it
>>>>>>> might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the
>>>>>>> home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as
>>>>>>> it appears
>>>> in
>>>>>>> a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too
>>>>>>> long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same
is
>>>>>>> true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of Cordova.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s
>>>>>>> hard
>>> to
>>>>>>> know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if
>>>>>>> you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem.
We
>>>>>>> need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how
>>>>>>> Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger ecosystem
(e.g.
>>>>>>> Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little
>>>>>>> more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers
>>>>>>> achieve success faster. For example, we provide simple
>>>>>>> instructions for “Getting Started” on the home page. And,
on
>>>>>>> the Plugins page, we provide a quick explanation of plugins’
role in Cordova development.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff,
Cordova
>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Okay…  none of us want to provide customer support for the
>>>>>>> whole community, but I want to make it easy for people to find
>>>>>>> the community. To that end, our goal was to integrate
>>>>>>> prominent
>>> pointers
>>>>>>> to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack,
>>>>>>> StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more
>>>>>>> time
>>> on
>>>>>>> their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for a
>>> change
>>>>>>> to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need
>>>>>>> and
>>>> little
>>>>>>> risk in making the change.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site
>>> launched
>>>>>>> ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will
>>>>>>> be
>>> easy
>>>>>>> to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please
>>>>>>> file them here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f
>>>>>>> %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205
>>>>>>> 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7cbradga%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5d
>>>>>>> e06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=
>>>>>>> cqI15afm9l5RsQ0Oz9sg8EHqsUK6p2ESn8HyfhHFAq0%3d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I open the floor to discussion ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
>>>>>>> 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7cbradg
>>>>>>> a%40microsoft.com%7c46d14102d64c4e5de06408d2c51d409d%7c72f988b
>>>>>>> f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=WfhsLEijWdilHq7RBNF6%2fGuf
>>>>>>> qZSOVs661NnN2MM7uvU%3d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Ryan J. Salva
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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