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From Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Cordova website redesign
Date Fri, 25 Sep 2015 00:55:19 GMT
Hi Ryan

What about adding "Plugin Specification" after "Building Plugin" in the
navigation menu?
see here http://snag.gy/zRvMx.jpg



On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:03 PM Ryan J. Salva <rsalva@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Ben, Wow. I really dig the logo! The new typeface looks pretty sweet with
> both the flat and illustrated robot. It preserves a strong sense of
> continuity with the current logo, but... I dunno. Looks a little more
> modern. I'd totally be down with integrating it into the website redesign.
> Are there any concerns about licensing? Do others like it?
>
> Frederico, we didn't take a close look at pages on the Apache site, but
> your right that this page looks outdated. Fortunately, we can update it
> separately from the Cordova website.
> https://projects.apache.org/project.html?cordova
>
> Carlos, where specifically did you want us to add a link? Happy to add it
> once we spot the right location.
> http://cordova.apache.org/use-the-force-luke/docs/en/edge/plugin_ref/spec.html
>
> Steven, we didn't want to add any apps to the showcase until we received
> community feedback, but I totally agree... we need more! We've already
> added NewVo, Pacifica and SworkIt. Are there any others you'd recommend?
> Help us pick the biggest and brightest stars ;-)
>
> Regarding "Sort by Quality" on the plugin page, it's based on the rating
> from http://npmsearch.com/. According to their website, ratings are based
> on multiple metrics including:
>
> - number of stars
> - number of dependents
> - release frequency
> - existence of tests/readme/etc..
>
>
> @ryanjsalva
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Sperry [mailto:ben@ionic.io]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:17 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cordova website redesign
>
> I really like where this update is going, and what it signals to the
> community: Cordova is a legitimate, modern tech solution that's still very
> much alive and growing. The website look/feel has a lot of confidence, love
> it!
>
> I'm curious what thoughts are around a Cordova logo update itself. I put
> together a version that I thought might support the evolution of Cordova
> into a more modern looking brand. Would love feedback on this early logo
> update mockup: regular <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-3d-proposal.png&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=SGjqowC5GRr%2fx%2bPMAk3eITzgMBeS6cT3sOvlqDDFdP8%3d
> >
> / flat
> <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fionic-io-assets.s3.amazonaws.com%2fcordova%2fcordova-logo-flat-proposal.png&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=GZk4OiU91HlxByJPcDu6XwUuAOU9w%2bsSXAsqm90t8iw%3d
> >
>
> A few things to note: The typeface is really the big update - the little
> robot logo itself can stay the same (because he is awesome). The existing
> typeface is just plain-old Helvetica, which is totally fine, but can
> sometimes feel empty of any personality or uniqueness. My suggestion is
> simply to update it to a more contemporary, custom typeface (in this case,
> Brandon Text <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fhvdfonts.com%2fbrandontext%2f&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=jifOSddHhPpgwp030wXSXmlRi2QAQ34qbb6gj5wd%2bmM%3d
> >).
>
> Would love to hear any and all thoughts on this!
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Frederico Galvão <
> frederico.galvao@pontoget.com.br> wrote:
>
> > Looks great indeed, nice job!
> >
> > One thing I noticed is that
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fproje
> > cts.apache.org%2fproject.html%3fcordova&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40micros
> > oft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd
> > 011db47%7c1&sdata=G7eQn8swwuEnEFT9q4g4fe8n8DSER5gARGTCPhlgbd0%3d
> > seems very outdated.
> >
> > 2015-09-23 22:49 GMT-03:00 Carlos Santana <csantana23@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > This looks great.
> > > Can you add a sub page link in the navigation column to this page?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordov
> > a.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke%2fdocs%2fen%2fedge%2fplugin_ref%2fsp
> > ec.html&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008
> > d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=tsQbh8YSD0dTMG
> > 9pN4z0HRgWSSldOd7YTdzp2mSVJR8%3d
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:50 PM Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Waw. It looks really really nice! Thanks so much for taking care
> > > > of
> > this.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you for doing this, the site is great!
> > > > > The community will love this.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Ryan J. Salva <
> > ryanjsalva@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > TLDR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Feedback requested for a proposed Cordova website redesign
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> > > > > > 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7crsalv
> > > > > > a%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988b
> > > > > > f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vVkxYs052hrrv5cb4m4RIo2SMD
> > > > > > AzKxQOQPOJIvdo0h0%3d
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- The redesign was influenced by interviews with 300+ mobile
> > > > > > developers. From these conversations, we identified six top
> > > > > > level
> > > > > > goals:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Establish that Cordova is an active project relevant to
> > developers
> > > > > > in 2016 (the future!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Show the potential of hybrid apps by highlighting some rock
> > > > > star-quality apps
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Demonstrate critical mass by sharing a diverse set of tools
> > > > > > and businesses that have “made a bet” on Cordova
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. Improve developer’s first experience with Cordova by adding
> > quick
> > > > > > start instructions and explanatory text for key concepts (e.g.
> > > > > > plugins)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5. Increase community participation by raising the visibility
> > > > > > of public forums (e.g. Slack, StackOverflow, Twitter)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6. Maintain consistency with the current website (i.e.
> > > > > > branding and content parity)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---- The long read ----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grab a cup of coffee. This is a long one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As some of you may know, several committers from the Seattle
> > > > > > area (including Nikhil, Parashuram and I) have just completed
> > > > > > a long
> > > series
> > > > > > of interviews with mobile developers. In the past three
> > > > > > months,
> > I’ve
> > > > > > personally interviewed over 100 developers. The team has
> > collectively
> > > > > > interviewed closer to 300. We learned a lot and hope to share
> > > > > > a summary (with infographics!) of our insights soon. In the
> > meantime, I
> > > > > > want to share one of the more poignant quotes from one interview.
> > > When
> > > > > > asked, “How can we make your job easier?”, one Cordova
> > > > > > developer
> > > > > > responded:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Take the stigma away from hybrid development. I can prove
> > > > > > that
> > it’s
> > > > > > the right tool for the job, but I have to prove it
> > > > > > over-and-over again. I wish that I didn’t have to have the
> > > > > > same conversation
> > every
> > > > > > time I want to use Cordova with a new manager or client.”
--
> > Murali,
> > > > > > Cordova Developer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are lots of ways to solve this problem, but one of the
> > > > > > easier and more visible ways is through Cordova’s front-door.
> > > > > > The Cordova website has served us well for the last 5+ years,
> > > > > > but I believe a redesign could help us address some pain points
> in the community.
> > To
> > > > > > put it simply, we have a public perception problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “It’s hard to argue for Cordova when there are few examples
of
> > > > > > it being successfully used.” -- Gary, Ionic Developer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Developers and architects are looking for examples of good
> > > development
> > > > > > to prove that high-quality, fast apps are possible. So, we
> > > > > > thought
> > it
> > > > > > might be good to highlight some rock star-quality apps on the
> > > > > > home page. Anyone can submit a PR to add their app so long as
> > > > > > it appears
> > > in
> > > > > > a public store and uses Cordova. If the list of apps gets too
> > > > > > long (and it will), then we’ll randomize display. The same
is
> > > > > > true for a list of tools and platforms that build on top of
> Cordova.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “There are so many layers to cross-platform development, it’s
> > > > > > hard
> > to
> > > > > > know how they all fit together. It’s even harder to know if
> > > > > > you’re missing a critical piece.” -- Mike, Cordova Developer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By itself, the website redesign won’t address this problem.
We
> > > > > > need some good architectural docs that not only illustrate how
> > > > > > Cordova works, but also how it integrates with the larger
> ecosystem (e.g.
> > > > > > Crosswalk). However, we’re also hoping that by adding a little
> > > > > > more “hand-holding” on the site, we can help developers
> > > > > > achieve success faster. For example, we provide simple
> > > > > > instructions for “Getting Started” on the home page. And,
on
> > > > > > the Plugins page, we provide a quick explanation of plugins’
> role in Cordova development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “It’s not clear where I can go for support.” -- Geoff,
Cordova
> > > > Developer
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay…  none of us want to provide customer support for the
> > > > > > whole community, but I want to make it easy for people to find
> > > > > > the community. To that end, our goal was to integrate
> > > > > > prominent
> > pointers
> > > > > > to all the places where our community aggregates – e.g. Slack,
> > > > > > StackOverflow, JIRA and mailing list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Change for the sake of change is… well, for people with more
> > > > > > time
> > on
> > > > > > their hands than me, but this seems like the right time for
a
> > change
> > > > > > to the Cordova website. There’s a compelling developer need
> > > > > > and
> > > little
> > > > > > risk in making the change.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Barring any grievous concerns, I'd love to get the new site
> > launched
> > > > > > ASAP. If we need to make small changes after launch, it will
> > > > > > be
> > easy
> > > > > > to iterate. If you see any bugs that need to be fixed, please
> > > > > > file them here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f
> > > > > > %2fissues.apache.org%2fjira%2fbrowse%2fCB%2fcomponent%2f123205
> > > > > > 62%2f&data=01%7c01%7crsalva%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472
> > > > > > c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=
> > > > > > ACaBgR4m7menwjJteB64575CKGVnzck18mLy3sHzXjg%3d
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I open the floor to discussion ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> > > > > > 2fcordova.apache.org%2fuse-the-force-luke&data=01%7c01%7crsalv
> > > > > > a%40microsoft.com%7cf0520805982d4472c5e008d2c51d40d4%7c72f988b
> > > > > > f86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=vVkxYs052hrrv5cb4m4RIo2SMD
> > > > > > AzKxQOQPOJIvdo0h0%3d
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > Ryan J. Salva
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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