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From: "Ryan J. Salva" <rsalva@microsoft.com>
To: "<dev@cordova.apache.org>" <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
Thread-Topic: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
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Tammo,

Sorry you won't be able to make it. We would have loved to have you here. F=
or at least part of the meetup, we'll host an online meeting for others to =
join remotely. Maybe you can join that way? Stay tuned for details.=20

rjs

Sent from a mobile device.=20

> On Aug 29, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Tammo Schimanski <tammo.schimanski@cordova.d=
e> wrote:
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> Hey Tim and thanks for your reply!
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> I already looked for flights but i think it=92s a bit too short now. Flig=
hts from here to america are at about 800=80 ( approx. 900$) + a cheap Hote=
l and i=92m over 1.000$ which is unfortunately to expensive for me. Being a=
 member of this e-mail list now helps me a lot to understand whats happenin=
g in the background.
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> If there is a small summary from the face 2 face meeting, i would be happ=
y to get that.=20
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> Nice Weekend for you all!
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> Tammo
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> Am [DATE] schrieb "Tim Barham" <[ADDRESS]>:
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>> Thanks for this info, Tammo - this is all great stuff, and it sounds lik=
e the German Cordova community owes you a lot! I have a couple of comments:
>>=20
>> 1. In the Cordova community (or any Apache community), nobody should con=
sider themselves a small person :). Individual contributions are what Apach=
e projects are all about (or should be). While some of us might have https:=
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PLY%3d or https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dintel.com&da=
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jkEpfT9GFfTbPK7LIU1oHSxpY%3d email addresses, in the long run our contribut=
ions are no more important than anybody else's (we just have the good fortu=
ne of doing it for our day job :) ).=20
>>=20
>> 2. I know this was already mentioned by Julio, but it seems to me you wo=
uld definitely be welcome at the face 2 face meeting if you felt it might b=
e of benefit. It sounds to me like it would be a great opportunity if you c=
ould make it.
>>=20
>> Tim
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tammo Schimanski [mailto:tammo.schimanski@cordova.de]=20
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:17 PM
>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>>=20
>> Hello to all of you from Germany,
>> i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you somet=
hing about the situation over here.
>>=20
>> I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn=92=
t easy to understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs =
didn=92t help me enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video=
 tutorials on youtube and read many articles about the cordova workflow.
>>=20
>> After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a ger=
man community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the End=
 of 2014 i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many ho=
urs in research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to the=
 present day the main Tutorials (iOS & Android) were viewed over 40.000 tim=
es. We have about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their qu=
estions inside the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help people =
but not all german developers are able to ask a question in english (althou=
gh you might thought that they are).
>>=20
>> My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their comp=
uters and thinking =84hey=85 why aren=92t you working cordova=93 or =84why =
doesn=92t it work like expected=93? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decid=
ed to make all a bit more professional. We weren=92t satisfied by the websi=
te because all was a bit heavy to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not stat=
e of the art. Again: E-Mails to apache, registered a new domain and now we=
=92re starting a big project under https://na01.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dwww.cordova.de&data=3D01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.c=
om%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c=
1&sdata=3DDWV2Gp%2btg2ekG6MvC1Ra9IMfFh3ceDWQUwjrRFAjaXM%3d (first look for =
you: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dwww.cordova.de%2f=
dev&data=3D01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208=
608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DAX4broDgZmgkyx=
6ljiVci1OTd%2fMRkZXM7KqK3ECA%2bzc%3d). I had to rewrite all tutorials, beca=
use its still our aim to make it understandable and clear for everyone! Til=
l now we spent already over 250 hours together for the new project - but it=
 is no problem: We love cordova! The Project will start at the end of Septe=
mber this year. Cordova is a possibility for companys creating a new branch=
. Every websitedeveloper is able to develop applications with Cordova - but=
 not every Developer knows this. We want to spread cordova to every develop=
er inside Germany!
>>=20
>> So yes, why am i writing you this all? I think, in comparison to you i=
=92m a small person. If i see all the people here getting e-mails to @https=
://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dmicrosoft.com&data=3D01%7c0=
1%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c7=
2f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DTkAyBoWRDD87phXTuwk5Ut4kRD1pf9y=
EqaKc0OoZ2Rs%3d, @https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dinte=
l.com&data=3D01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c12=
08608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D3ZP1F9eBjoU6=
8%2bRDamnegwZ3kszlp%2baOveRcsDlyIVI%3d and so on=85yes, i=92m a small perso=
n. I just want to let you know, that if we can do anything from the other s=
ide of the big pond: Please let us know - we=92re here, waiting for your in=
structions :-).=20
>>=20
>> I don=92t know if this =84Cordova face to face meeting=93 is open for al=
l but my colleague and i thought about coming to that meeting. Only because=
 we=92re interested into getting a deeper look into things and because we b=
oth want to get better and better. The better we get, the better we can hel=
p the users in understanding cordova.=20
>>=20
>> Belonging to the topic, Stackoverflow, frustration etc. - i understand J=
esse Monroy. A big problem is that in many cases you just can post links =
=84look here=93 =84read this=93 etc. and if you give a detailed answer, you=
=92ll never hear something again from that user like =84worked for me=93 or=
 =84no this doesn=92t work=93. Thats why we also created a =84first steps i=
n cordova=93 guide on our new website in which all mistakes which can be do=
ne are explained.
>>=20
>> Okay so=85 at least, sorry if something is unclear or understandable. I =
hope that it was at least a little bit interesting for you to get some feed=
back from Germany.
>>=20
>> Greetings from
>> Tammo Schimanski
>>=20
>>=20
>> E-Mail:        tammo.schimanski@cordova.de
>> Phone / Whatsapp:    + 49 162 40 98 169=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
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>> Am [DATE] schrieb "julio cesar sanchez" <[ADDRESS]>:
>>=20
>>> I would like to bring this topic back because I've seen two things=20
>>> recently that worried me
>>>=20
>>> First one on the google group "Frustration in the forum"
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3a%2f%2fgrou=
ps
>>> .google.com%2fforum%2f%23!topic%2fphonegap%2fD7ydf_hNq-w&data=3D01%7c01=
%7
>>> cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c
>>> 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3D1Oi55qjHPNIa93Qwhn%2fglWTz=
iW
>>> 1vY8ZcKxp8M3JHRZ4%3d
>>>=20
>>> Second one, increasing number of unanswered questions on stackoverflow=
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>>> (from=20
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp%3a%2f%2fstack=
ov
>>> erflow.com%2ftags%2fcordova%2ftopusers&data=3D01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.=
mg
>>> d.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91
>>> ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3DePFNX11aAOUF%2frRpMUGvDlMuuVNxbzVoqRb07hTzGH=
M%
>>> 3d)
>>>=20
>>> cordova Questions
>>> 259        Last 7 Days       79.9% unanswered
>>> 1,172     Last 30 Days     75.7% unanswered
>>> 37,119   All Time             46.4% unanswered
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I think it's related with the "Frustration in the forum", a lot of=20
>>> questions are from newbiews and low quality so nobody answer them (not=
=20
>>> sure if this happens with other tags or just with cordova)
>>=20
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