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From Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] CORDOVA AND LIVERELOAD
Date Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:43:56 GMT
Personally, I would rather we didn't force it thru.
We don't include cordova-plugin-console which is a huge ease-of-use
improvement, and it is tiny, and more arguably should be built in.
If we get through a few versions, and it proves popular, and is working
well, I may change my mind, but I would rather soft launch it instead of
suddenly springing new developer debt on the project.






My team is hiring!
@purplecabbage
risingj.com

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Mefire O. <ommenjik@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
> Also, to improve DISCOVERABILITY and EASE OF USE, I was thinking about
> making the LiveReload tooling part of the default Cordova experience by
> including the plugin in the default project template or by it being in
> cordova-lib ( depending on what architectural choice we make).
>
> It would only be turned on by including the --livereload from the CLI.
>
> Any thoughts ?
>
>
> - https://github.com/MSOpenTech/cordova-cli/commits/LiveReload
> - https://github.com/omefire/cordova-plugin-livereload
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mefire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mefire O. [mailto:ommenjik@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 11:01 AM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] CORDOVA AND LIVERELOAD
>
> Thanks for the feedback, guys.
>
> As a result of your comments, I've done the following changes :
>
> -  Pivoted towards a plugin-based architecture :
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fomefire%2fcordova-plugin-livereload&data=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7ca5385b13d97b4d71e84f08d2acae110d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=6YrzZ4dCG8FttPF150r%2f00G2gfB8%2fqGwLax41boeVo4%3d
> - The plugin is going to be activated only when the '--livereload' option
> is passed to the CLI.
> - I forgot to include the changes to cordova-cli to accommodate the
> --livereload flag :
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fMSOpenTech%2fcordova-cli%2fcommits%2fLiveReload&data=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7ca5385b13d97b4d71e84f08d2acae110d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=wLWcK7014onZyfFCfbI4PKGTcjBLHq2TWX8uGPzfZRs%3d
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mefire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:28 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] CORDOVA AND LIVERELOAD
>
> This is so awesome, as working on a downstream I have being debating if
> this is something I should add to my downstream.
> I think this is standard stuff that cordova should enable but not include
> in core, it should be a plugin.
>
> maybe we should have a tag for  plugins that are only for tooling, meaning
> that are easy to take out or ignore when building/running a production app.
> or be dormant until the "--livereload" is pass in the command line for
> emulate or run.
>
> I really think BrowserSync is rad, and having a plugin implemented by
> cordova is good as reference implementation if others want to implement a
> different one. but I think we can provide that satisfy the need of most
> developers.
>
> But I think the cordova-cli should document and have some convention
> support the developer to emulate/run with --livereload. then  a plugin can
> declare that it provides the livereload feature, and detect that
> --livereload was pass do it's magic
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:14 PM Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is really cool work, and will absolutely help developers.
> > Personally, I prefer the plugin approach.
> > Which library is chosen is entirely up to the plugin author, but I
> > really like BrowserSync!
> >
> > In all cases, I believe it is important to try NOT to add features to
> > cordova. The ultimate goal is have cordova be intrinsic to all device
> > platforms, and the more things we build into cordova, the more
> > difficult this becomes. Others may have different views, and I am
> > anxious to hear them, but that is the way I have always looked at it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My team is hiring!
> > @purplecabbage
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=risingj.com&data=01
> > %7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c
> > 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZDxBbaiDrRKHqVa7fRKQut47GEt
> > cdR6r1kDZvZPTl6o%3d
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mefire O. <ommenjik@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Problem
> > > Most Web developement workflows today have a quick
> > > edit-refresh-preview loop, enabling rapid application development.
> > > While Cordova is based on
> > Web
> > > technologies, the cordova run step after every little HTML or CSS
> > > change
> > is
> > > still slow and takes a considerable amount of time to deploy to the
> > > emulator or device.
> > > Some livereload-related offerings :
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fsco
> > > tch.io%2ftutorials%2fa-quick-guide-to-using-livereload-with-gulp&dat
> > > a=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a
> > > 610%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=kFyIR7Q1nZljOSdc1HI
> > > dhl6mgExcgIG0CVrGLHU%2fXew%3d
> > .
> > > Adding the "live reload" capability in Cordova would increase
> > > developer efficiency. Note that varieties of LiveReload already in
> > > many downstream Cordova distributions.
> > >
> > > Prototypes
> > > Browsersync<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%
> > > 3a%2f%2fbrowsersync.io%2f&data=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c
> > > 0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%
> > > 7c1&sdata=TKcLau%2bk%2fRfQ2wGutlt4gspmxDMbTTa4ZRqLSBxKkCM%3d> is a
> > > popular livereload library that enables refreshing the
> > > browser/webview when HTML/CSS/JS or images change, mirrors clicks
> > > and scrolls across multiple devices and even does incremental CSS or
> > > DOM updates. Here is a prototype implementation<
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgit
> > > hub.com%2fMSOpenTech%2fcordova-lib%2fcommits%2fLiveReload&data=01%7c
> > > 01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c7
> > > 2f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qFVTL9IljD%2bCrsg%2bpkF8PD
> > > %2fse%2bJUVcFAzZ5BWnCpVpk%3d> that I put together into cordova-lib
> > > using BrowserSync and can be started easily
> > using
> > > --livereload with the cordova run command : `cordova run android
> > > -livereload` An alternative approach here implements a similar
> > > functionality using a Cordova
> > > plugin<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2faxemclion%2fcordova-plugin-browsersync&data=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=zX7tQKxHoiw6AWowjzJIOeTo9xVj4qFF87sU2Nuirrg%3d
> >.
> > > Here is another plugin<
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgit
> > > hub.com%2ffingerproof%2fcordova-plugin-gapreload&data=01%7c01%7comme
> > > njik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c72f988bf86
> > > f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=qMT7cUIEh3XbP5RWaVpVuw20F2RtPnDXYT8
> > > XT%2bS%2frzI%3d> that implements livereload using
> > > LiveReload<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3
> > > a%2f%2flivereload.com%2f&data=01%7c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0
> > > cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7
> > > c1&sdata=d2sbj1khMnFHemoIM4aRZ3OzagVexcNNK9qr9qKFn6w%3d> instead of
> > browserSyc.
> > >
> > > Design Questions
> > > What would be the best approach to add this functionality into Cordova
> ?
> > > 1. In cordova-lib as prototyped above ?
> > > 2. As a Plugins with hooks that start browserSync?
> > > 3. As a plugin with hooks that uses LiveReload ?
> > > 4. A plugin that is a part of the default template 5. Any other
> > > suggestions
> > >
> > > Trying to list the goals from our implementation
> > >
> > >   1.  Live reload should be discoverable, quick to get started and
> > > easy
> > to
> > > use. It should be available to all developers in a standard way.
> > >   2.  It should integrate well with existing workflows and not come
> > > in
> > the
> > > way of existing solutions that already have live reload.
> > >   3.  It should work for most major platforms. Note that the above
> > > examples change the <content src=> to a http:// server. This has a
> > > different behavior from the default Cordova app.
> > >   4.  Though the above examples depend on browsersync, there are
> > > other equally good solutions like LiveReload, Amok, etc. Should we
> > > depend on BrowserSync? Or will using a plugin approach give us the
> > > flexibility of using alternate solutions
> > >
> > > Here's a link to the corresponding cordova-discuss proposal :
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgit
> > > hub.com%2fomefire%2fcordova-discuss%2fcommits%2fLiveReload&data=01%7
> > > c01%7commenjik%40microsoft.com%7c0cc1f1dff2144c1556fa08d2aa88a610%7c
> > > 72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=PKJALeV0NmgPckU9s0CYv0BsY
> > > 5XZBNLKCvBFjyIWqa0%3d
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mefire
> > >
> >
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