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From Dmitry Blotsky <dblot...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
Date Wed, 08 Apr 2015 22:02:26 GMT
Here is a short thing I found recently on this topic: http://coenraets.org/keypoint/phonegap-performance/#0


Kindly,
- Dmitry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Freeman [mailto:Tyler@DrumPants.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:12 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org; Michael Brooks
Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?

I think what colors people's perception the most is the graphics and interaction performance
of JS vs Native. Here's a few possible reasons:

* They are basing their bias off Phonegap apps they saw 3 years ago. Even though it's improved
so much since then, those first apps still hang in people's minds.

* Developers are not trying hard enough for that smooth, buttery animations. It is possible
to get 60fps on modern WebKit views, but it's hard and takes a lot of work.

* For instance, I came across an article once that recommended using CSS transforms instead
of properties like "left". That changed my whole way of thinking, and my app looks and reacts
so much better because of it. I think it would be good for the Cordova docs to lay out tips
like that for making top-notch apps.

* Non-native feel and interactions. Some apps just port their iOS-style design straight to
Android without considering that Android users expect a completely different paradigm. Not
sure there's much to do about this.

Tyler

On April 8, 2015 9:42:00 AM PDT, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>This is a really interesting survey. My take is that the score is low 
>because over 50% of the participants are Windows users and the default 
>Cordova experience on Windows is extremely unconventional - Git Bash, 
>Node.js Command Prompt, terminal command driven development, and no 
>full blown IDE. The Microsoft team is dramatically improving this and 
>as Visual Studio integration becomes more well known, I hope those 
>survey results improve.
>
>On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Toplak Daniel <D.Toplak@cadenas.de>
>wrote:
>
>> Absolutely right :-)
>>
>> Cordova is too easy in some situations and most of the developers
>using
>> cordova (not the cordova developers itself) are knowing nothing about
>the
>> plugin system under the hood, or anything about the JS->Native->JS
>bridge.
>> They even don't know anything about the asynchronos communitcation
>with
>> plugins.
>>
>> In most situations this is absolutely ok, but if anything special is 
>> needed or something goes wrong, then they have a problem.
>>
>> The other thing is that there are some JS frameworks/libs which are
>not
>> the best for mobile devices. No I don't name anyone of that :-)
>>
>> My point of view is, that they don't see the real power of the
>cordova
>> framework and create sloppy/buggy UI's.
>>
>> Daniel Toplak
>>
>> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com]
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2015 17:56
>> An: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> Betreff: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy?
>>
>> Cordova is the most hated form of Mobile Development, because
>everyone can
>> create a Cordova app, and the quality of most Cordova applications is 
>> absolutely terrible.  If you're inheriting a Cordova application from 
>> another company, you're probably going to end up re-writing it and if 
>> you're an iOS or Android shop, re-implementing it natively because
>that's
>> what you're more comfortable with.
>>
>> And I'm perfectly OK with that.
>>
>> Wordpress and LAMP stacks aren't going away any time soon, and both
>those
>> technologies share the same property that anyone can create a shitty 
>> website.  We've been called the Drupal of development for a reason,
>and at
>> the time we were called that, I took it as an insult because I think
>Drupal
>> is shitty (I once inherited a bad Drupal project).  I don't think we
>should
>> care what developers say in a survey, since most developers are
>terrible
>> anyway.  We should just make sure that what we're releasing isn't
>terrible.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:03 AM Treggiari, Leo
><leo.treggiari@intel.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The data below is from a StackOverflow Developer Survey ( 
>> > http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015).
>> >
>> > Most Dreaded technologies:
>> > Salesforce           73.2%
>> > Visual Basic        72.0%
>> > Wordpress         68.2%
>> > Matlab                 65.6%
>> > Sharepoint         62.8%
>> > LAMP                    62.2%
>> > Perl                        59.2%
>> > Cordova               58.8%                  **************
>> > Coffeescript       54.7%
>> > Other                    57.3%
>> > % of devs who are developing with the language or tech but have not 
>> > expressed interest in continuing to do so.
>> >
>> > Any ideas on what the problem is?  Here are some possible answers.
>> > I'm not suggesting that any of these are true, but rather looking
>for
>> > feedback from those who have heard developers express frustration
>with
>> Cordova:
>> >
>> >
>> > *        There is no problem - unclear question led to the answer
>> >
>> > *        The problem is really about creating native apps in
>JavaScript +
>> > HTML5
>> >
>> > *        Cordova CLI has a quality problem (learnability |
>usability |
>> > reliability)
>> >
>> > o   Too hard to set up development environment
>> >
>> > o   The command CLI is too complicated
>> >
>> > o   Not enough learning material (documentation, articles, books)
>> >
>> > o   Too many bugs
>> >
>> > o   Changes too frequently
>> >
>> > Leo
>> >
>> >
>>

Tyler Freeman
CTO, DrumPants, Inc.

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