Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4892F17D10 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 92608 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jan 2015 20:20:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 92564 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jan 2015 20:20:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 92551 invoked by uid 99); 13 Jan 2015 20:20:29 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:20:29 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [208.65.78.88] (HELO smtp-p01.blackberry.com) (208.65.78.88) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:20:23 +0000 Received: from xct101cnc.rim.net ([10.65.161.201]) by mhs212cnc.rim.net with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 13 Jan 2015 15:20:03 -0500 Received: from XMB111CNC.rim.net ([fe80::fcd6:cc6c:9e0b:25bc]) by XCT101CNC.rim.net ([fe80::9c22:d9c:c906:c488%16]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:20:02 -0500 From: Josh Soref To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread Thread-Topic: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread Thread-Index: AQHQKtMyM8TeMc/PhE6wKoSh6Jwpr5y3HWCAgAADFwD//68WRoAGpxIAgAAAlACAAHdwgIAAV2cAgAAP6yqAAGDEgIAAA/WA//+vMEmAAFVJgP//smgeAAzGsYD//68TgA== Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <62DE94FB-6353-4BF7-B833-2F46553A0166@gmail.com> <4829F2EE-7796-4DB5-B612-8326DA86EAC0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-CA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [10.65.160.249] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha256; boundary="B_3504007175_111462336" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --B_3504007175_111462336 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Michal Mocny wrote: >... we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use >their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new >applications for that target to either build mobile web, packaged native, >or just stick to existing versions of cordova if really needed. > >I do not buy the argument that you are doing those individuals with those >phones a favour by building them hybrid apps using the antiquated 2.3 >webview on antiquated machine specs. I don't have an opinion on this. But I do have a question. Ignoring the fact that GeckoView is flaky today, 1. Does GeckoView / Firefox work (at all? well?) on a sample / typical 2.3 device? 2. 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