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From: Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:09:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
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Victor, I don't disagree with your observation that those phones serve a
purpose.  But we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use
their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new
applications for that target to either build mobile web, packaged native,
or just stick to existing versions of cordova if really needed.

I do not buy the argument that you are doing those individuals with those
phones a favour by building them hybrid apps using the antiquated 2.3
webview on antiquated machine specs.

-Michal

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those are the exact people the Android One program is meant to target.  I
> rounded up when I stated the price of these devices.
>
> On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 10:42:38 AM Victor Sosa <sosah.victor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well... Not trying to create a polemic here, but you can ask that to
> > persons who earn $10USD a day, and yes, many of these persons have a
> > very-old-yet-cheap smartphone
> >
> > 2015-01-13 12:33 GMT-06:00 Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Agreed.  That would mean that 3.7.x would be the last release where we
> > > support Android 2.3.x.  I don't think that MozillaView is in a good
> > enough
> > > state for us to recommend that path to users.  At this point, I can say
> > > that the owners of these 78 million phones should buy a new phone.
> It's
> > > not like a phone running KitKat can't be bought for $100.
> > >
> > > On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 10:26:17 AM Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree, we're not really supporting these devices, and it is
> > > disingenuous
> > > > of the project to advertise that we do. Any apps concerning
> themselves
> > > with
> > > > privacy/security won't be targeting or testing on those devices
> either.
> > > >
> > > > I think a clean break w/ the message 4.x === 4.x, coupled with many
> > > > webviews and we have a very solid forward looking release.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does it really matter?  I think Joe summarized it best, we can only
> > > claim
> > > > > to support what is actually being supported (aka actively tested,
> > > > actively
> > > > > maintained).  Market share doesn't impact that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that we should not actively break 2.3 support, but with 3.7 on
> > the
> > > > > horizon, and big changes coming in 4.0, it would be nice to signal
> > that
> > > > as
> > > > > the last version supporting 2.3 and have us be free to make changes
> > > that
> > > > > cannot be compatible with the older version.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michal
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, where are these numbers coming from?  Can we get a breakdown
> by
> > > > > region?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 3:30:23 AM Marcel Kinard <
> cmarcelk@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another stat: Forbes estimates that the existing number of
> > Android
> > > > > phones
> > > > > > > is 1.56 billion. Five percent of that is 78 million.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:14 AM, Ally Ogilvie <
> aogilvie@wizcorp.jp
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > moar stats:
> > > > > > > > https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/android_os_adoption/
> > > > > > > from_date:-365,to_date:0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Victor Adrian Sosa Herrera
> > IBM Software Engineer
> > Guadalajara, Jalisco
> >
>

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