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From: Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:10:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
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Hangout sounds great.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to a hangout! We are overdue.
>
>
> @purplecabbage
> risingj.com
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I also added some comments. I think we have had a lot of good discussio=
n
> > on this, and should we looking at closing the proposal and working on a=
n
> > implementation ?
> > We could resolve the open issues using a hangout - I also realize that =
we
> > did not have a hangout for January.
> >
> > Would this be a good excuse to set up a hangout ? I could volunteer to
> > start the doodle and set up the date and time if people agree that we
> > should do a hangout. This would be one of the topics we could discuss.
> >
> > On 1/17/15, 6:01 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > >Both proposals are sounding quite good to me at this point! There's
> merit
> > >to both for sure. I left a few more comments, but the only one I
> actually
> > >feel strongly about is about storing .fetch.json for platforms within
> the
> > >existing platform.json files rather than a separate file.
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Mefire O. <ommenjik@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> True. I'm still diving into the details of plugins and will update t=
he
> > >>doc
> > >> accordingly.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -------- Original message --------
> > >> From: Gorkem Ercan
> > >> Date:01/15/2015 4:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> Subject: Re: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The proposal(s) seems to only cover the platforms. Although the
> > >> behaviours are very similar there will be details that should be
> > >> addressed. For instance how to handle the search path for plugins
> > >> --
> > >> Gorkem
> > >>
> > >> On 15 Jan 2015, at 19:33, Mefire O. wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > After  some suggestions to instead move to autosaving to config.xm=
l,
> > >> > I've made modifications the document :  It now includes two
> proposals
> > >> > : --save vs autosave
> > >> >
> > >> > Please review and make suggestions :
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qKjhzSf48ybGg2GFZPtjXP8dkF4Z5Jnc7FU41
> > >>V3-jFc/edit
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Mefire
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Mefire O. [mailto:ommenjik@microsoft.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:44 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > All,
> > >> > I have incorporated feedback into the Google docs as suggested by
> > >> > others. Please, cast another look.
> > >> > For reviews/ comments/suggestions, please take a look at :
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qKjhzSf48ybGg2GFZPtjXP8dkF4Z5Jnc7FU41
> > >>V3-jFc/edit
> > >> >
> > >> > It seems to me like most people agree with the proposed behavior o=
f
> > >> > --save. So, could anyone please review these pull requests that
> > >> > include that functionality ? :
> > >> > - https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/144
> > >> > - https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/203
> > >> >
> > >> > Also, we have another related pull request that introduce git urls
> > >> > support to 'cordova platform add' :
> > >> > - https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/148
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for all the feedback so far !
> > >> > I'll be creating JIRA issues for all the suggestions (those that
> have
> > >> > been agreed on). And start working on some of them...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Mefire
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Chuck Lantz [mailto:clantz@microsoft.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:15 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > For those joining the thread late - Here's the Google doc link
> that's
> > >> > trying to consolidate the conversation:
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qKjhzSf48ybGg2GFZPtjXP8dkF4Z5Jnc7FU41
> > >>V3-jFc/edit
> > >> >
> > >> > -Chuck
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Chuck Lantz [mailto:clantz@microsoft.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > You may also want to mention you tried to factor this conversation
> > >> > into the google doc and repoint them to it once you're done editin=
g.
> > >> >
> > >> > Before you do that, I'd also add our proposed <plugin> syntax in
> that
> > >> > section before you send it out.  Maybe use "strikethrough" on the
> XML
> > >> > section with the <feature> elements and add the <plugin id=3D""...=
>
> > >> > syntax below it.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Chuck
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Mefire O. [mailto:ommenjik@microsoft.com]
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:12 PM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > This PR adds support for git-urls to 'cordova platform add' :
> > >> > https://github.com/apache/cordova-lib/pull/148
> > >> > Please, review.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Mefire
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggiari@intel.com]
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:18 AM
> > >> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree with always saving and automatically re-fetching sources a=
nd
> > >> > platforms when needed.  With regards to the other conversation goi=
ng
> > >> > on re: automatic add of a platform, I think the CLI should
> > >> > automatically do things when it is reasonably unambiguous what the
> > >> > user wants - e.g. if they explicitly say build for iOS then CLI ad=
ds
> > >> > the platform if it is needed.  If you are on Windows and you say
> build
> > >> > for iOS, you get an error, which you would even if CLI had allowed
> you
> > >> > to add the platform - e.g. for a cross platform, multi-developer
> > >> > scenario.
> > >> >
> > >> > If save/restore are 'optional', then as others have pointed out,
> other
> > >> > problems cannot be solved unless the user has used the save and
> > >> > restore command/options.  I don't want my IDE to be saying:
> "didn't I
> > >> > tell you that you need to use the save/restore command options if
> you
> > >> > want to do any operations outside of the IDE!".
> > >> >
> > >> > Leo
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: agrieve@google.com [mailto:agrieve@google.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> > Andrew Grieve
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:57 AM
> > >> > To: Gorkem Ercan
> > >> > Cc: dev; Andrew Grieve; Michael Brooks
> > >> > Subject: Re: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xml
> > >> >
> > >> > Saving all the time certainly would make this simpler. If we save
> all
> > >> > of the time, we can also make uninstall a part of prepare. E.g. If
> > >> > users edits their config.xml and removes a <plugin>, then prepare
> can
> > >> > detect that and plugman uninstall it before building. If we don't
> > >> > always save, then editing your config.xml wouldn't be that
> meaningful
> > >> > unless you delete & recreate platforms every time.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Gorkem Ercan
> > >> > <gorkem.ercan@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 12 Jan 2015, at 22:09, Andrew Grieve wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Related to this, but maybe can be discussed outside of the doc ju=
st
> > >> >> fine:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-4275
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Right now when we add a new platform, we do a for-each on
> > >> >>> directories
> > >> >>> within plugins/ and add them as well. This causes all plugins to
> > >> >>> wind
> > >> >>> up as top-level plugins even when they are dependent plugins on
> > >> >>> existing platforms.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Having plugins listed in config.xml, I think it would make sense
> to
> > >> >>> change this logic to plugin add based on plugins within config.x=
ml
> > >> >>> rather than directories that exist within plugins. We could
> > >> >>> potentially still add all of them if no plugins are listed in
> > >> >>> config.xml for backwards compat.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >> Related to that, I was looking at CB-8278[1] this bug not only
> causes
> > >> >> the variables to be lost also it causes the top-level plugin info
> to
> > >> >> vanish as well.
> > >> >> We could also fix this problem easier too if we are saving plugin=
s
> to
> > >> >> config.xml all the time. Which means no save command or --save.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-8278
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Andrew Grieve
> > >> >>> <agrieve@chromium.org>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thanks for putting the doc together. Added some comments to it.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Mefire O. <
> ommenjik@microsoft.com
> > >
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Google docs link :
> > >> >>>>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qKjhzSf48ybGg2GFZPtjXP8dkF4Z5
> > >> >>>>> Jnc7FU41V3-jFc/edit
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Thanks,
> > >> >>>>> Mefire
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>> From: Mefire O. [mailto:ommenjik@microsoft.com]
> > >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 2:12 PM
> > >> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> >>>>> Cc: Michael Brooks
> > >> >>>>> Subject: RE: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xm=
l
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Here's what I propose, let me know what you think :
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 'cordova platform add'
> > >> >>>>>   * No -save flag, No 'autosave' setting in
> > >> >>>>> project_dir/.cordova/config.json
> > >> >>>>>           1. 'cordova platform add android' =3D> restores the
> > >> >>>>> android platform from config.xml. If config.xml doesn't have a=
ny
> > >> >>>>> android engine, falls back to using the pinned CLI version.
> > >> >>>>>   * With -save flag or 'autosave' setting in
> > >> >>>>> project_dir/.cordova/config.json
> > >> >>>>>           1. 'cordova platform add
> > >> >>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-android.git -save' =3D> clon=
es
> > the
> > >> >>>>> git repo and adds the android platform to the project, then
> > >> >>>>> updates
> > >> >>>>> config.xml and point its version to the specified git-url.
> > >> >>>>>           2. 'cordova platform add android@
> > >> >>>>> https://github.com/apache/cordova-android.git -save' =3D> clon=
es
> > the
> > >> >>>>> git repo and adds the android platform to the project, then
> > >> >>>>> updates
> > >> >>>>> config.xml and point its version to the specified git-url.
> > >> >>>>>           3. 'cordova platform add C:/path/to/android/platform
> > >> >>>>> -save' =3D> adds the android platform to the project, then upd=
ates
> > >> >>>>> config.xml and point its version to the specified folder
> location.
> > >> >>>>>   * --Save flag is used in CLI-based workflows, and 'autosave'
> > >> >>>>> (project_dir/.cordova/config.json) is used in IDE-based
> workflows.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 'cordova save platforms'
> > >> >>>>>   In its current behavior, 'cordova save platforms' retrieves
> > >> >>>>> all the platforms currently installed on the project, and save=
s
> > >> >>>>> them to config.xml. However, unlike 'cordova save plugins', it
> > >> >>>>> does
> > >> >>>>> not save the source of the platform (i.e: git-url, folder
> > >> >>>>> location), it only saves the version. This behavior is differe=
nt
> > >> >>>>> from the one that 'cordova save plugins' implements.
> > >> >>>>>   * 'cordova save platforms'  =3D> it should retrieve the sour=
ces
> > >> >>>>> of all the installed platforms from .fetch.json, and save them
> in
> > >> >>>>> config.xml.
> > >> >>>>> This requires making changes to the way that 'cordova platform
> > >> >>>>> add'
> > >> >>>>> works,
> > >> >>>>> it should always save the source in .fetch.json.
> > >> >>>>>   * In case of conflict with the config.xml, 'cordova save
> > >> >>>>> platforms' should error out. The -force option shall be used i=
f
> we
> > >> >>>>> want it to override config.xml content.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 'cordova restore platforms'
> > >> >>>>>   It reads the config.xml file and install all the platforms
> > >> >>>>> specified there.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 'cordova save'
> > >> >>>>>   Saves all installed platforms and plugins into config.xml
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> 'cordova restore'
> > >> >>>>>   Restores all platforms and plugins from config.xml. similar =
to
> > >> >>>>> 'npm install'.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Here the link to the google docs :
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Thanks,
> > >> >>>>> Mefire
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>> From: Parashuram N (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:
> panarasi@microsoft.com]
> > >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 1:09 PM
> > >> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> >>>>> Cc: Michael Brooks
> > >> >>>>> Subject: Re: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xm=
l
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Regarding save - I think automatic save could be an issue for
> > >> >>>>> folks
> > >> >>>>> who want to "try out" experimental platforms, or pick up
> platforms
> > >> >>>>> from git URIs or master branches. What would happen in that
> case?
> > >> >>>>> May be that's is why npm --save exists in the first place.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Where to save - For making progress, looks like we will also
> have
> > >> >>>>> to finalize if it will be persisted in config.xml or in
> > >> >>>>> package.json. Most IDEs will not use the --save option, but ma=
y
> > >> >>>>> choose to directly persist in the required file when a platfor=
m
> is
> > >> >>>>> added using a GUI.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Regarding restore - automatic restore makes a lot of sense. Do=
es
> > >> >>>>> mefire's PR not cover that ?
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> From: Chuck Lantz<mailto:clantz@microsoft.com>
> > >> >>>>> Sent: ?Friday?, ?January? ?9?, ?2015 ?12?:?43? ?PM
> > >> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >> >>>>> Cc: Michael Brooks<mailto:mbrooks@adobe.com>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> +1 on automating.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> That's why Mefire's PR for platform add just uses the version
> > >> >>>>> information in config.xml if it is present.  I think the idea
> > >> >>>>> behind "--save" was to make this npm-like so that if a value i=
s
> > >> >>>>> already in config.xml, then you can also update it by
> specifying a
> > >> >>>>> different version and "saving" it.
> > >> >>>>> (Similar to how "npm install cordova@4.1.2 --save" would updat=
e
> > >> >>>>> package.json in the directory you're executing the command eve=
n
> if
> > >> >>>>> an earlier version was present). He mentioned the two PRs on t=
he
> > >> >>>>> "--save"
> > >> >>>>> for
> > >> >>>>> platform earlier in the this thread.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> As an improvement it could just "save" by default if there is
> > >> >>>>> nothing present in config.xml.  Personally I'd always use
> > >> >>>>> "--save".
> > >> >>>>> I also agree what we do for platforms we should likely do for
> > >> >>>>> plugins too.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Now, we had originally said in a hangout that "config.xml"
> should
> > >> >>>>> contain "app stuff" and that platform and plugin versions and
> > >> >>>>> preferences/params qualified as app stuff.  We could certainly
> go
> > >> >>>>> towards package.json (or something package.json-like) since
> that's
> > >> >>>>> really what we're trying to emulate here at the end of the day=
 I
> > >> >>>>> think.  However, I also thought we said that config.xml was to=
o
> > >> >>>>> engrained to move away from it (though clearly the web as a
> whole
> > >> >>>>> is moving towards the W3C app manifest).
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> If we don't use config.xml, it definitely needs to be a docume=
nt
> > >> >>>>> at
> > >> >>>>> the root level not under ".cordova" since you should clearly
> check
> > >> >>>>> it into source control and it shouldn't be hidden. It's detail=
s
> > >> >>>>> about the app not how the CLI should behave.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> -Chuck
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>> From: Josh Soref [mailto:jsoref@blackberry.com]
> > >> >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 11:26 AM
> > >> >>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> >>>>> Cc: Michael Brooks
> > >> >>>>> Subject: Re: platforms/plugins save and restore from config.xm=
l
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Leo wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> I had asked some questions about save and restore a while bac=
k
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> One of my biggest questions was why would these commands be an
> > >> >>>>> option?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I can't think of any reasons.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> What I'm looking for, as soon as possible, is that Cordova
> > >> >>>>> 'project'
> > >> >>>>>> metadata is stored logically and consistently so that the CLI
> and
> > >> >>>>>> multiple IDEs could simultaneously work on the same project a=
nd
> > >> >>>>>> know about what each other have done wrt. adding/removing
> > >> >>>>>> plugins/platforms/etc.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Seems reasonable
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Does removing experimental advance that goal or does it, as
> Michal
> > >> >>>>>> says, put obstacles in the path of getting there by requiring
> > >> >>>>>> long
> > >> >>>>>> term support of an incomplete and possibly confusing (more
> > >> >>>>>> options?) solution?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I think Michal is right.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> It probably makes more sense to integrate the code behind
> > >> >>>>> save/restore into (platform|plugin) add and (something) so tha=
t
> it
> > >> >>>>> automatically just works.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I'm not sure offhand what 'restore' would look like in a such =
a
> > >> >>>>> model though...
> > >> >>>>> Also worth considering is the recent request for `cordova run
> > >> >>>>> not-installed-platform`
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> `cordova run not-installed-platform` (CB-8283) should honor th=
e
> > >> >>>>> values from `cordova platform save`
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> That might be the replacement for 'restore', although it
> probably
> > >> >>>>> isn't ideal...
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------
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