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From Brian LeRoux...@brian.io>
Subject Re: Apache license in "cordova create"
Date Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:49:25 GMT
go for it; pretty sure you'll get the same answer tho

(we have to license stuff we distribute but we could strip on create)


On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) <
panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Maybe we could ask legal-discuss@apache.org about this issue? They should
> be able to give us a definitive answer about the alternatives.
>
> From: Brian LeRoux
> Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎10‎, ‎2014 ‎12‎:‎46‎ ‎PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>
> guess so yea, great first patch Martin ;)
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Could we just strip the license as a part of the create script?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> >
> > > recent discussions elsewhere indicate (to me) that while the ASL
> (apache
> > > software license) is compatible with other licenses but the ASF (apache
> > > software foundation) doesn't want to conflate our source with other
> ones
> > > (reasonable imo)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Josh Soref <jsoref@blackberry.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In theory, shouldn't we be able to put that file under an MIT/BSD
> > license
> > > > to make people happier?
> > > >
> > > > Getting sample content to be usable by others is a pain, and
> something
> > > > that is one of the last steps people work on.
> > > >
> > > > I think Mozilla moved its tests to MIT to address this.
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea what Apache's policy is.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I can't find any good examples of this…
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/eclipsesource/raspberry-pi-examples/blob/master/com.ecli
> > > >
> > >
> >
> psesource.iot.photosensor-example/src/com/eclipsesource/iot/photosensor/exa
> > > > mple/Main.java
> > > >
> > > > Has an Eclipse license on a sample, which is probably just as bad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://hg.netbeans.org/main/file/23e994b27837/apisupport.crudsample/crud-sa
> > > > mple-application/CustomerDBAccess/src/demo/Customer.java
> > > >
> > > > Has GPL/CDDL. GPL is clearly useless. I'm not sure CDDL is more
> helpful
> > > > than Apache.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.contactandcoil.com/software/a-very-fast-tutorial-on-open-source-
> > > > licenses/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cayenne-dev/200710.mbox/%3C62FEC22
> > > > 5-FE92-476B-84C1-69869B179F9E@objectstyle.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > http://apache.org/legal/3party.html#category-a
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/245/cc-by-vs-mit-or-bsd-license
> > > > s-regarding-re-use
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think we should probably get permission and relicense those files
> as
> > > > CC-0.
> > > >
> > > > CC-0 isn't in the list that Apache has whitelisted, but I think we
> > should
> > > > be able to convince apache that this is the right license for these
> > files
> > > > (and similar template files to be used to generate content that a
> > > consumer
> > > > is supposed to be able to do w/ however they please).
> > > >
> > > > On 12/10/14, 2:02 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >no mistake, but it is a requirement for us to distribute code at
> > apache.
> > > > >you are free to remove and relicense as you wish.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Martin Sidaway <msidaway@gmail.com
> >
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I'm a bit puzzled by the Apache license notice present in the
> > > following
> > > > >> files after doing "cordova create":
> > > > >>
> > > > >> www/index.html
> > > > >> www/js/index.js
> > > > >> www/css/index.css
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The trouble is that if I begin my project by extending those
> files,
> > it
> > > > >> seems like the Apache license covers my changes as well as the
> > > original
> > > > >> template. It also seems like I am saying that my changes are
> > "licensed
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> the Apache Software Foundation under one or more contributor
> license
> > > > >> agreements". And it doesn't seem like the Apache license would
> allow
> > > me
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> remove those notices.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So am I right in thinking that if I want to develop software
that
> I
> > > > >>might
> > > > >> not intend to be Apache-licensed and/or licensed to ASF, I have
to
> > > > >>delete
> > > > >> these 3 files and start from scratch?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This sort of thing seems a little inappropriate in a template.
> > > Basically
> > > > >> what it means is that I have to (1) work out what the template
> does
> > > and
> > > > >> which parts I actually need to begin a project, (2) rewrite those
> > > parts
> > > > >>by
> > > > >> hand (basic html document structure, meta/viewport tag, etc.)
> taking
> > > > >>care
> > > > >> not to resort to copy/paste, (3) gradually realise that the
> aspects
> > of
> > > > >>my
> > > > >> app that behave inconveniently on certain platforms correspond
to
> > > > >>things I
> > > > >> chose not to copy over from the template.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Is there any other way to approach this? Is it a mistake?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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