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From Shazron <>
Subject Re: 4.0.x, efcedabe, Patch-Bombing and good faith
Date Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:43:00 GMT
More communication is always better -- I feel that might be the
missing piece here.

Let's try to move on from this and discuss this in the call to solve
this situation:
1. Identify what's broken and fix that, with verifying tests
2. Revert for now so others can continue, while trying to fix what's
broken in the new patch (in a branch for merging later)
3. Another option(?)

I would err on the side of more communication over less (Apache
"Community over Code" etc). A massive patch integration without
discussion imo is not pro-community.

I may have missed it (apologies if I did) but the series of patches
started July 3, 2014 and I did not see any discussion of it in dev@
prior to that.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Andrew Grieve <> wrote:
> Let's discuss tonight, but it is actually pretty easy to revert things
> without --force. "git revert" can do it, or "git checkout HASH . && git
> commit --all -a"
> Also - what's broken? Just did a test compile with 4.0.x &
> and it worked fine.
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Joe Bowser <> wrote:
>> Due to the recent changes, I propose that we revert everything back to
>> a prior commit on this branch.  Given that we use the interfaces to
>> define the API for the ThirdParty WebViews used by Crosswalk and
>> others, the irony of reverting is should be clear.  The fact is that
>> we can't have people dumping hundreds of commits that totally destroy
>> months of work that we've done, including all the consensus-building
>> that was done.  This totally undermines the feeling that everyone is
>> contributing in good faith.
>> Honestly, if I even remotely tried to do the same thing, I know that
>> many people on this project would have major objections to this, so I
>> don't know why people are being silent about this now.  We can't have
>> hundreds of commits just dumped into any branch of the ASF repos,
>> since we have no easy way to do a revert of this.  We have no --force,
>> and I'm probably going to have to fork and delete the 4.0.x branch.
>> I'm going to do this after the conference call, but I'm extremely
>> upset about the recent changes.
>> We can't just say "shit will be broken anyway" and use it as an excuse
>> to break other people's work.  I honestly don't know what to say about
>> this at this point, since we've never had to do something like this
>> before.  I'm extremely frustrated at the fact that I've been ignored
>> every time I've raised concerns on this list and that some of us are
>> held to higher standards than others.
>> I really hope we can talk about this on the call, because this is
>> beyond unacceptable.  I'm not sure what was supposed to be
>> accomplished, and why talking about features is some sort of unknown
>> barrier that we're trying to avoid.  At this point, there's no way we
>> could even remotely vote on a major release.
>> How can we work past this so that we can actually work on this project
>> again?
>> Joe

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