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From Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Cordova "Translated using Microsoft Bing Translation"...
Date Fri, 30 May 2014 19:56:31 GMT
Okay, skipping over all the noise on this thread, I think we should take
Ross up on his generous offer.
I agree Parashuram would be in a good position as well, but he is not yet a
on the pmc.
Starting a private vote thread.

Cheers,
  Jesse




@purplecabbage
risingj.com


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Josh Soref <jsoref@blackberry.com> wrote:
>
> > Ted Dunning wrote:
> > > Also, if you choose to switch to a different translator at some point,
> it
> > > is likely that they will use the previous translations as the base for
> a
> > > translation memory even if humans are doing the translation.  That
> counts
> > > as the project using the text to train a translation engine.
> >
> > I don't think that counts.
> >
> > ...
> >
>
>
> > If "my translation app" takes your X->Y and uses it to apply to the next
> > application it sees, then it's opening itself up to some really bad
> > poisoning models. Because there's a lot of garbage that will be uploaded
> > into translation engines. I'd be shocked if anyone actually did this.
> >
>
> Google translate does this.  They detect parallel text on the web and build
> language and translation models using techniques that go back, more or
> less, to the Candide work at IBM.  The really big addition that Google made
> is that they can and do detect parallel text that is not explicitly marked
> as parallel.
>
> This means that if somebody translated the Cordova stuff later using Google
> translate, it would likely include this earlier Bing content.
>
>
> >
> > And yes, I do maintain translation tools. My tools certainly wouldn't do
> > this. I maintain translation tools because I've seen the quality of
> > translations, and they're awful.
> >
>
> I trust you about your tools.  That doesn't imply others avoid doing this.
>
>
> >
> > The goal of such a restriction is to prevent someone from using this
> > output as a basis for making another generic translation tool.
> >
> > If someone takes a document from Spanish, and uses Bing to translate it
> > into French, Microsoft is not going to complain if someone later takes
> > that (French) document and translates it into Italian, no matter who does
> > the translation.
> >
> > They're only concerned if someone takes the mapping between Spanish words
> > and French words and uses it on an unrelated corpus / to improve their
> > handling of unrelated corpora.
> >
>
> Do you say this from actual knowledge of Microsoft's intent?  Or are you
> depending on what you read here?
>

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