Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C244D10744 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20433 invoked by uid 500); 28 Apr 2014 20:49:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 20389 invoked by uid 500); 28 Apr 2014 20:49:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 20381 invoked by uid 99); 28 Apr 2014 20:49:58 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:49:58 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of freakshow42@me.com designates 17.172.204.239 as permitted sender) Received: from [17.172.204.239] (HELO st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com) (17.172.204.239) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:49:52 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oKOOnPYk/hRHPzdJHr7jwg)" Received: from [192.168.1.69] (99-50-205-22.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net [99.50.205.22]) by st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0N4R00ERSDUFT630@st11p01mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for dev@cordova.apache.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 20:49:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Freak Show Message-id: <46D0EF48-0935-4192-A1FF-3A77FB2AF7F7@me.com> Subject: Re: Some pain points from our users :'( Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:49:41 -0700 References: To: dev@cordova.apache.org In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-MANTSH: 1TEIXWV4bG1oaGkdHB0lGUkdDRl5PWBoaHhEKTEMXGx0EGx0YBBIZBBscEBseGh8 aEQpYTRdLEQptfhcaEQpMWRcbGhsbEQpZSRcRClleF2hjeREKQ04XSxsbGmJCH2lsGVJzGXhzB xl5GBoeE3kTEQpYXBcZBBoEHQdNSx0SSEkcTAUbHQQbHRgEEhkEGxwQGx4aHxsRCl5ZF2FGbWR QEQpMRhdsa2sRCkNaFxMTBB8aBBgaHwQYGBEKQkUXb1tpHBtLRwFTbkkRCkJOF2xwYHlAHWJSa RpiEQpCTBdlcx9eYBoZQ1lLXhEKQmwXZlJMfWZ8BUAZclMRCkJAF2RzSXgBHm9cSGVhEQpCWBd pHVAFQmNLRB8SQhEKcGcXbGlzbGkTH2tiWEsRCnBoF29HXRpNRXpLcG1uEQpwaBd6ZxsBbWISa UlfXREKcGgXbERmc1lwcltQX3ARCnBoF29GG2hab21wfVBTEQpwaBdjTHoafhJdZAV+UhEKcGw XZXxJfW0bQXpkYUUR X-CLX-Spam: false X-CLX-Score: 1011 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.96,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-04-28_03:2014-04-28,2014-04-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1404280322 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Boundary_(ID_oKOOnPYk/hRHPzdJHr7jwg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Joe Bowser wrote: > This wasn't necessary and I was against it. Cool - now there are two of us. > These reasons were legal, and it was done to keep PhoneGap open > source. If we didn't do this, we wouldn't be having this > conversation. And this explains where there is a phonegap cli tool and a cordova cli tool and they work differently? Nevermind plugman which I totally can't figure out. I don't even want cli tools. I don't care about them I was perfectly happy doing git clones into a directory. I just want a well documented directory structure and I'll put my stuff together thanks. None of my experiments with your cli tools and my own plugins have panned out. In the end I end up with a very custom XCode and/or Eclipse project that somehow I've made work via various bits of lucky hackery. We're just building apps out here, its not rocket science and if your users had a lot of free time on their hands, they'd build native apps instead. Consider that. I think when you get to the point that you're writing software that writes software you really need to take a step back and think about what you're doing. --Boundary_(ID_oKOOnPYk/hRHPzdJHr7jwg)--