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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Nomination for a new chair for Apache Cordova
Date Wed, 23 Apr 2014 13:25:09 GMT

On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Joe Bowser <> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Andrew Grieve <> wrote:
>> Joe - totally uncalled for. Not sure where it even came from. If you
>> hate Apache so much, then why are you a *volunteer* on an Apache
>> project?
> Because I like the Cordova project, despite what Apache has done to it.
>> I'm fairly confident that there is not a good understanding of what it
>> means to be a PMC, or PMC chair, and Jim is spending his time to help
>> us out.
> Nobody asked Jim to help, in fact quite the opposite. I know that we
> have to do what Apache tells us because they own the code now, but I
> don't have to pretend to like it.

Actually, the board did.

>> Jim - thank you.
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bowser <> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>>>> There is one other aspect of the chair which, for a somewhat
>>>> newish PMC is important: The entire PMC is responsible for
>>>> ensuring that the project is run in a way which abides by,
>>>> and embraces, the "Apache Way"... when it doesn't, the
>>>> Chair needs to (1) know that the PMC is going awry and
>>>> (2) encourage the PMC to fix those problems and (3)
>>>> interact w/ the board if the PMC needs help in doing so.
>>> So, who is to protect the PMC from yourself and rest of the board
>>> trying to destroy the project with insults and vitriol?  While I
>>> believe that Shazron is up to the task, I'm convinced that "The Apache
>>> Way" is the worst way to run a software project, and that the Apache
>>> Board spends all their time trying to find ways to debate itself into
>>> irrelevancy.  I wish that we never joined the ASF, and honestly when
>>> you told us that we should leave months ago, I welcomed it.  That
>>> being said, we're still here, despite your best efforts. We've seen
>>> what happens when the board tries to help, and it generally pisses a
>>> bunch of committers off, and ends up with people insulting each other
>>> personally.  This response to your first e-mail on this list should
>>> not come as any surprise.
>>> The fact is that Shaz fits well, because unlike me, he is diplomatic
>>> and won't tell you to jump off a cliff every time you or any other
>>> Apache person comes in and tries to interfere with our project.
>>>> Not knowing Shaz personally, how does that all fit in
>>>> with the nomination?
>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Cordova community. To this point I've served as the chair for the
>>>>> Cordova PMC.
>>>>> The duties of chair are solely administrative: board reports, and book
>>>>> keeping of committer nominations. Some projects at Apache have more formal
>>>>> incantations. We have, so far, preferred to maintain our lightweight
>>>>> approach meaning a committer is a PMC member too. This involves sending
>>>>> email, updating a text file in SVN, and running a few perl scripts on
>>>>> Keeping those books is important if some day
>>>>> there is a dispute to the veracity of our source.
>>>>> In evaluation of  my current workload these additional book keeping
>>>>> responsibilities are not appropriate for me to prioritize and that is
>>>>> fair to Cordova.
>>>>> I'm going to step down as chair for Cordova and I would like to nominate
>>>>> Shazron Abdullha to take on the role. Shaz has been with the project
>>>>> before it was called Cordova. He lands more code than most, interacts
>>>>> directly with the community more than anyone, and is committed to work
>>>>> Cordova solely full time. He'll be a better chair than I ever was.
>>>>> I won't be going anywhere and (I hope!) this means I can contribute more
>>>>> code than emails in the future. We can be formal and go to a vote if
>>>>> is objection or interest in seeing someone else take the admin duties
>>>>> Otherwise, I'll aim to shoot the board official notice early next week.

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