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From Joe Bowser <>
Subject Re: Nomination for a new chair for Apache Cordova
Date Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:21:32 GMT
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Andrew Grieve <> wrote:
> Joe - totally uncalled for. Not sure where it even came from. If you
> hate Apache so much, then why are you a *volunteer* on an Apache
> project?

Because I like the Cordova project, despite what Apache has done to it.

> I'm fairly confident that there is not a good understanding of what it
> means to be a PMC, or PMC chair, and Jim is spending his time to help
> us out.

Nobody asked Jim to help, in fact quite the opposite. I know that we
have to do what Apache tells us because they own the code now, but I
don't have to pretend to like it.

> Jim - thank you.
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joe Bowser <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>>> There is one other aspect of the chair which, for a somewhat
>>> newish PMC is important: The entire PMC is responsible for
>>> ensuring that the project is run in a way which abides by,
>>> and embraces, the "Apache Way"... when it doesn't, the
>>> Chair needs to (1) know that the PMC is going awry and
>>> (2) encourage the PMC to fix those problems and (3)
>>> interact w/ the board if the PMC needs help in doing so.
>> So, who is to protect the PMC from yourself and rest of the board
>> trying to destroy the project with insults and vitriol?  While I
>> believe that Shazron is up to the task, I'm convinced that "The Apache
>> Way" is the worst way to run a software project, and that the Apache
>> Board spends all their time trying to find ways to debate itself into
>> irrelevancy.  I wish that we never joined the ASF, and honestly when
>> you told us that we should leave months ago, I welcomed it.  That
>> being said, we're still here, despite your best efforts. We've seen
>> what happens when the board tries to help, and it generally pisses a
>> bunch of committers off, and ends up with people insulting each other
>> personally.  This response to your first e-mail on this list should
>> not come as any surprise.
>> The fact is that Shaz fits well, because unlike me, he is diplomatic
>> and won't tell you to jump off a cliff every time you or any other
>> Apache person comes in and tries to interfere with our project.
>>> Not knowing Shaz personally, how does that all fit in
>>> with the nomination?
>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>>> Hello Cordova community. To this point I've served as the chair for the
>>>> Cordova PMC.
>>>> The duties of chair are solely administrative: board reports, and book
>>>> keeping of committer nominations. Some projects at Apache have more formal
>>>> incantations. We have, so far, preferred to maintain our lightweight
>>>> approach meaning a committer is a PMC member too. This involves sending an
>>>> email, updating a text file in SVN, and running a few perl scripts on
>>>> Keeping those books is important if some day
>>>> there is a dispute to the veracity of our source.
>>>> In evaluation of  my current workload these additional book keeping
>>>> responsibilities are not appropriate for me to prioritize and that is not
>>>> fair to Cordova.
>>>> I'm going to step down as chair for Cordova and I would like to nominate
>>>> Shazron Abdullha to take on the role. Shaz has been with the project since
>>>> before it was called Cordova. He lands more code than most, interacts
>>>> directly with the community more than anyone, and is committed to work on
>>>> Cordova solely full time. He'll be a better chair than I ever was.
>>>> I won't be going anywhere and (I hope!) this means I can contribute more
>>>> code than emails in the future. We can be formal and go to a vote if there
>>>> is objection or interest in seeing someone else take the admin duties on.
>>>> Otherwise, I'll aim to shoot the board official notice early next week.

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