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From Michal Mocny <>
Subject Re: Some pain points from our users :'(
Date Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:14:44 GMT
I think this particular users' frustration is not addressable (and his
feedback in places is just annoying:  "you work for X and I demand that you
should have the money to do everything for me").
He hasn't maintained his project for 2 years, hasn't read our docs, hasn't
written tests to guard against platform assumptions, and expects to update
everything in a few hours.
There are a few issues he got hit with (plugin authoring with the CLI is a
pain in the butt, 3.4 release plugin docs issue), but generally its
probably not worth putting to much weight into it.

More broadly, though, perhaps we should acknowledge that we will never
catch all issues with releases and try to find ways to incentivize the
community to help test out RC's for us?  Perhaps a dedicated mailing list
for known developers who stay bleeding edge that we email as part of
starting the release vote process / at the end of [DISCUSS] thread?


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Shazron <> wrote:

> We come with a (framework) developer's perspective, thus an echo chamber.
> The comments may or may not be fair but the users do encounter pain, and I
> think it does help in identifying issues we missed (reading from the list
> overall). Canary in the coal mine, etc.
> Filing issues etc ideal, but some, for whatever reason, do not like that
> type of forum, but still choose the Google Groups.
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
> > I feel the comments there are not really constructive or fair. Cordova
> > changes too much? Sorry, static code means bitrot aka abandonware.
> >
> > We work on Cordova because we are improving it for the many thousands of
> > our users whom appreciate that. I don't need to tell you guys that but
> 1.8
> > was a mess compared to 3.x and if you are only updating YOUR userland
> > source once every 2 years and you don't expect it to be come with
> > problems?! The bugs found usually are not introduced by us but with
> Xcode,
> > iOS, or Android and we are FIXING those things with updates.
> >
> > Docs are a problem but as they say patches welcome. This is the sort of
> > entitled complaint that lead me off that list.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Shazron <> wrote:
> >
> > > See:
> > >
> >

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