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From Shazron <shaz...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: support on phonegap/cordova?
Date Tue, 15 Apr 2014 18:27:50 GMT
+1 to Michael Brook's proposal.
Definitely I'm all for SO vs a users@ mailing list


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Brooks
<michael@michaelbrooks.ca>wrote:

> I agree, PhoneGap references do not belong in Apache Cordova.
>
> I think it's safe to remove website links to:
> - the PhoneGap Google Groups
> - the PhoneGap IRC channel
>
> We should update the Cordova website with links to:
> - StackOverflow Cordova tag
> - #cordova IRC channel
>
> Do not:
> - do not keep the PhoneGap Google Groups link for old solutions - Google
> has this indexed for anyone searching.
> - do not create a users@ mailing list - make it earn it's place;
> StackOverflow has already done this.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org
> >wrote:
>
> > stay tuned on the ML thread with subject "Hangout Today @ 4:00 EST". I
> > will post the link there once we're set up.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Terence M. Bandoian <terence@tmbsw.com>
> > wrote:
> > > One nice thing about a mailing list is that it is delivered.  The
> digest
> > > form provides an uncluttered, passive means to stay aware of issues and
> > > contribute when appropriate.
> > >
> > > I'm still new to this list but would like to listen in to the hangout
> if
> > > that's possible.  How would I find it on Google Hangout?
> > >
> > > -Terence Bandoian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/15/2014 9:31 AM, Lisa Seacat DeLuca wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Michal +1.
> > >>
> > >> 1. Create a user@ group that we use to encourage users to post
> > questions
> > >> on SO.
> > >> 2. Update website to remove reference to PhoneGap Google Group and
> > include
> > >> reference to the user@ mailing list
> > >> 3. remove the IRC #phonegap reference as well
> > >>
> > >> Is everyone in agreement on this?  Do we need to add an item to our
> > >> hangout agenda today to discuss further?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Lisa Seacat DeLuca
> > >> Mobile Engineer | t: +415.787.4589 | _ldeluca@apache.org_
> > >> <mailto:ldeluca@apache.org>| | _ldeluca@us.ibm.com_
> > >> <mailto:ldeluca@us.ibm.com>| _lisaseacat.com_ <
> > http://www.lisaseacat.com/>|
> > >> follow @LisaSeacat on twitter <www.twitter.com/LisaSeacat>| follow
> Lisa
> > >> Seacat DeLuca on linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/lisaseacat>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> > >> To: dev <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >> Date: 04/15/2014 09:50 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: support on phonegap/cordova?
> > >> Sent by: mmocny@google.com
> > >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So first: we don't *have* have to have users@ list.  This isn't about
> > >> "apache way" at all, this is in response to several user inquiries
> > asking
> > >> for a user list to point them to.
> > >>
> > >> Seems no one is looking forward to more email, but I'd be satisfied to
> > >> have
> > >> a users@ list from which we direct people over to SO, since some
> people
> > >> don't yet know about SO and/or expect a mailing list when they go
> > looking.
> > >>
> > >> The most important action item I think is to update the website, since
> > >> right now we only list the dev, commits, and issues mailing lists
> > listed,
> > >> and a small note about the phonegap forum for user questions (and that
> > was
> > >> hard to find without grep-ing).
> > >>
> > >> -Michal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Mike Billau <mike.billau@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think that between a users@ mailing list, a google group, an IRC
> > room,
> > >> > and StackOverflow, the best medium we can use to support our users
> is
> > >> > StackOverflow. Joe makes great points about the benefits that
> > >> > StackOverflow
> > >> > gives us that I don't see the other mediums providing. Sure the GG
> may
> > >> > be
> > >> > searchable but not nearly as well as SO. Also, there are already a
> lot
> > >> > of
> > >> > Cordova users helping each other out on SO (only 4 of the top 20
> > >> > "answerers" are on this list [1]) SO also will automatically switch
> > >> > "phonegap" to "cordova" tag but still allow things like
> > "phonegap-build"
> > >> > or
> > >> > "phonegap-enterprise" or whatever - nothing against phonegap, this
> > just
> > >> > seems to be more inline with the "Apache Way" and would help Adobe
> > >> > support
> > >> > find relevant issues to them while letting the the overall community
> > >> > work
> > >> > on the more general support questions.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we have to have a users@, so be it, but we should make it a
> point
> > to
> > >> > answer all questions there with a link to the relevant Stack
> Overflow
> > >> > answer. I think we should also be doing this on the google group
> too,
> > >> > but
> > >> > I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been.
> > >> >
> > >> > Finally I know there is a lot of push back about "getting rid of /
> > >> > encouraging less use of" the google group because a lot of people
> use
> > it
> > >> > and apparently get a lot of their issues fixed, however it seems
> like
> > >> > either the majority of the questions never get answered, or they get
> > >> > answered by a few users. We should maybe reach out to these power
> > users
> > >> > and
> > >> > explain to them the motivation behind trying to move all support off
> > the
> > >> > GG
> > >> > and into SO and encourage them to help with this transition.
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] http://stackoverflow.com/tags/cordova/topusers
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > The reasons I prefer stack overflow to users lists are as follows:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1. Most of our users aren't skilled enough to get on or off of
a
> > users
> > >> > list
> > >> > > 2. Stack Overflow's structure keeps things more professional
than
> > the
> > >> > > mailing list.  Personal attacks get downvoted on SO
> > >> > > 3. Stack Overflow has better searchibility than a users list.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If we have to have one because of the much loathed "Apache Way",
> so
> > be
> > >> > > it, but I don't see it being nearly as helpful as SO.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> > agrieve@chromium.org>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > Most Apache projects have a users@ list for this purpose.
> > Although
> > >> > > > SO
> > >> > > often
> > >> > > > yields better answers, I don't think it would hurt to have
a
> > >> > users@list.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> This is a dev list, not a support list. I would recommend
> > >> > StackOverflow.
> > >> > > >>  On Apr 9, 2014 3:16 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > StackOverflow works really well as well. If it's
a possible
> but
> > >> > > >> > in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > >> > framework or an Apache plugin though, this is the
list :)
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden <
> raycamde@adobe.com
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > > I'd use the Google Group:
> > >> > > >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phonegap
> > >> > > >> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/phonegap>
> > >>
> > >> > > >> > > ________________________________________
> > >> > > >> > > From: smo <s.lagui@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:35 AM
> > >> > > >> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > >> > > >> > > Subject: support on phonegap/cordova?
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > hi
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > where must i post to get support on phonegap/cordova
ios ?
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > thanks
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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