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From "Christian Grobmeier" <>
Subject Re: [Discuss] The Future of Ripple as a Top Level ASF Project
Date Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:52:15 GMT
hi folks,

On 22 Apr 2014, at 16:30, Brent Lintner wrote:
> However, it is also apparent that the community does not seem large 
> enough
> to sustain a project like this as a top level project (let alone an
> individual PMC).


> 1. We find more community members willing to lead committership of the
> project, and see how that goes.

possible this happens, but unlikely: if there is no activity it seems
people are not attracted to help that much.

> 2. We also consider the eventuality of folding Ripple into another ASF
> project, if possible. If so, it would seem Cordova is a candidate for 
> this,
> especially given the project being one of Ripple's main focus and 
> support.
> If the community votes for this, we should involve the Cordova 
> community to
> gage their interests as well (I've CC'd their mailing list in this 
> email).

At the ASF we don't want umbrella projects. But in this case I really
see the most interested party in Ripple is the Cordova project. It looks
like Ripple can't succeed on a project on its, just because there are 
enough PMC members available. Three are must, but its better to have 5 
or 6.

That said, the project is not dead so I would prefer to see the current 
committers added to the Cordova committership.

> 3. If the above does not work out, I would then suggest we consider 
> the
> most unfortunate (put perhaps prudent) eventuality, which is to "fail"
> Ripple as an incubator project. "fail" is this case, not being 
> negative.
> And, if it does fail incubation- what does ASF normally do with the 
> project?
> Does it get donated back to the original party? Does it get moved to 
> an
> open source project outside of ASF (under a different license)?

In the incubator terminology there is no "fail", there is just a 
retirement :-)
It would mean the project svn is put to read only and the websites are 
A status page would indicate its current state. New committers can try 
to revive
the project at any time. Everybody is welcome to fork the project - and 
come back later to the ASF.
However there is one restriction: usually the ASF keeps the trademark 
"Apache Ripple".
There were a few exceptions in the past when the project could keep its 
and continue outside the ASF (like Zeta Components).

That being said, the community could surely decide to retire here, move 
the code
to GitHub and continue there. The formal things (like reports) are gone 
but I am afraid GitHub is not the cure for Ripple.

My personal preference is due to the fact that Cordova committers and 
Ripple committers
already seem to overlap, to just move the project to Cordova.

Of course the Cordova project would then still need to take care about 
the formal
aspects of Ripple. In example, check if there are copyright protected 
images in there,
or if everything is well with dependencies. This certainly requires some 
of work and if there is nobody willing to perform this work...

This work would be necessary to do in GitHub as well, but well.


> Any insight would be appreciated!
> -- 
> Brent Lintner

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