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From "Terence M. Bandoian" <>
Subject Re: Some pain points from our users :'(
Date Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:50:49 GMT
For what it's worth, the biggest problem I've had in upgrading is with 
'phonegap plugin add <plugin>'.  The native code gets copied but 
cordova_plugins.js doesn't get updated and the plugin JS isn't wrapped 
in a call to cordova.define.  In a couple of Stack Overflow posts, 
running 'phonegap build <platform>' after adding a plugin is suggested 
but I don't see that documented in the Phonegap docs.  Plus, that 
overwrites the www directory so it has to be copied beforehand which is 
troublesome if there are platform-specific customizations.  (Is that the 
only time the outer www is used?)  In addition, I didn't find 
documentation for the contents of cordova_plugins.js or the linkage 
between it and the plugin JS so I wasn't sure what was required and had 
to piece that together on my own.  In the end, I manually updated 
cordova_plugin.js and the plugin JS files which is way more hairs than I 
think was intended.

Overall, I still think Cordova is great framework but that improved 
documentation would go a long way towards making that more apparent.


On 4/28/2014 2:15 PM, Michal Mocny wrote:
> s/mailing list/distribution list/
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Michal Mocny <> wrote:
>> I think this particular users' frustration is not addressable (and his
>> feedback in places is just annoying:  "you work for X and I demand that you
>> should have the money to do everything for me").
>> He hasn't maintained his project for 2 years, hasn't read our docs, hasn't
>> written tests to guard against platform assumptions, and expects to update
>> everything in a few hours.
>> There are a few issues he got hit with (plugin authoring with the CLI is a
>> pain in the butt, 3.4 release plugin docs issue), but generally its
>> probably not worth putting to much weight into it.
>> More broadly, though, perhaps we should acknowledge that we will never
>> catch all issues with releases and try to find ways to incentivize the
>> community to help test out RC's for us?  Perhaps a dedicated mailing list
>> for known developers who stay bleeding edge that we email as part of
>> starting the release vote process / at the end of [DISCUSS] thread?
>> -Michal
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Shazron <> wrote:
>>> We come with a (framework) developer's perspective, thus an echo chamber.
>>> The comments may or may not be fair but the users do encounter pain, and I
>>> think it does help in identifying issues we missed (reading from the list
>>> overall). Canary in the coal mine, etc.
>>> Filing issues etc ideal, but some, for whatever reason, do not like that
>>> type of forum, but still choose the Google Groups.
>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>>> I feel the comments there are not really constructive or fair. Cordova
>>>> changes too much? Sorry, static code means bitrot aka abandonware.
>>>> We work on Cordova because we are improving it for the many thousands of
>>>> our users whom appreciate that. I don't need to tell you guys that but
>>> 1.8
>>>> was a mess compared to 3.x and if you are only updating YOUR userland
>>>> source once every 2 years and you don't expect it to be come with
>>>> problems?! The bugs found usually are not introduced by us but with
>>> Xcode,
>>>> iOS, or Android and we are FIXING those things with updates.
>>>> Docs are a problem but as they say patches welcome. This is the sort of
>>>> entitled complaint that lead me off that list.
>>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Shazron <> wrote:
>>>>> See:

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