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From "Hu, Ningxin" <ningxin...@intel.com>
Subject RE: [Android] Refactoring for different engines
Date Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:32:45 GMT
Please let me know if we agree with this time (9am Pacific, 12am Eastern and 0am China)? I will stay till mid-night, but maybe not to next morning :p.

Thanks,
-ningxin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: iclelland@google.com [mailto:iclelland@google.com] On Behalf Of Ian
> Clelland
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:58 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for different engines
> 
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Hu, Ningxin <ningxin.hu@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > Understood.
> >
> > How about 9am Pacific, 12am Eastern and 0am China? Really appreciate.
> >
> 
> That time would probably work better for me than 7 hours later.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -ningxin
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mmocny@google.com [mailto:mmocny@google.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Michal Mocny
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:45 AM
> > > To: dev
> > > Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for different engines
> > >
> > > (Yeah 7pm Friday is more naughty than 4am for those of us with
> > > families.)
> > >
> > > I think the original intent was just supposed to be a meet & greet right?
> > >  Lets just do it asap and consider formal scheduling with ample
> > > planning
> > only if
> > > there are technical topics to discuss.
> > >
> > > It would be nice, though, if Ian could make it, given his recent
> > > work on
> > this.
> > >
> > > -Michal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Victor Sosa
> > ><sosah.victor@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > 4PM PST? That's 6 CST or 7 EST, me thinks. Seems to work for many
> > > > of us On Apr 23, 2014 8:49 PM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 4pm works for me…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Hu, Ningxin
> > > > > <ningxin.hu@intel.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am in China. 1:00 PM PST means 4:00 AM here :o.
> > > > > > Could you please schedule it a little bit later, say 4:00 or
> > > > > > 5:00 PM
> > > > PST?
> > > > > > It will be highly appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > -ningxin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: brian.leroux@gmail.com [mailto:brian.leroux@gmail.com]
> > > > > > On Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > > Brian LeRoux
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:10 AM
> > > > > > To: Joe Bowser
> > > > > > Cc: dev@cordova.apache.org; Hu, Ningxin
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for different engines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does 1:00PST on Friday work for a hangout for everyone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> > <mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > BTW: Here's my PoC for Mozilla so far.  It's very broken!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/infil00p/MozillaView
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io<mailto:
> > > > > > b@brian.io>> wrote:
> > > > > > > So I found a Moz hacker whom can help. what time on Fri do
> > > > > > > you guys
> > > > > want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > do this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ian Clelland <
> > > > iclelland@chromium.org
> > > > > > <mailto:iclelland@chromium.org>>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I've managed to get this up and running now -- great work
> > > > > > >> on this,
> > > > > Joe!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Mobilespec runs on my N4, with 10 failing tests: 3 in
> > > > > > >> contacts;
> > > > > > >> 7 in file-transfer. Otherwise, things seem to be working
> > > > > > >> pretty
> > well.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I used a new build of Crosswalk, and found that the
> > > > > > >> embedding API
> > > > has
> > > > > > >> changed since the weekend (when Ningxin's patches applied).
> > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > issued
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > >> pull request at
> > > > > > >> https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-crosswalk-engine/pull/5
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >> it
> > > > --
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm not sure if there's a way to keep compatibility with
> > > > > > >> last week's Crosswalk, or if we'd even want to. (Ningxin,
> > > > > > >> if you could
> > > > > take a
> > > > > > >> look at that PR and see if it makes sense, I'd appreciate
> > > > > > >> it)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Joe, I also had to patch the default constructor for
> > > > > > XWalkCordovaWebView;
> > > > > > >> it wasn't creating its own client objects, so it got the
> > > > > > >> default
> > > > ones,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> most of the tests were failing because some component of
> > > > > > >> the bridge
> > > > > > wan't
> > > > > > >> working.
> > > > https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-crosswalk-engine/pull/4is
> > > > > > >> out
> > > > > > >> for that.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Count me in for the hangout -- this is exciting stuff
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Ian
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io
> > <mailto:
> > > > > > b@brian.io>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Yup I'll track em down
> > > > > > >> > On Apr 23, 2014 7:17 AM, "Andrew Grieve"
> > > > > > >> > <agrieve@chromium.org
> > > > > > <mailto:agrieve@chromium.org>> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Does anyone have a contact at moz that we could invite?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Grieve <
> > > > > > agrieve@chromium.org<mailto:agrieve@chromium.org>>
> > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > Depends on their interest level I think. Faster we
> > > > > > >> > > > can get
> > > > this
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > >> > > > the door the better. If we need to delay for
> > > > > > >> > > > geckoview, then I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > >> > > > think we should gate on it, just release it after.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Tommy Williams <
> > > > > > tommy@devgeeks.org<mailto:tommy@devgeeks.org>>
> > > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >> More engines, more better...
> > > > > > >> > > >> On 23 Apr 2014 16:32, "Joe Bowser"
> > > > > > >> > > >> <bowserj@gmail.com
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> Hey
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> A Hangout would have to happen on Friday at the
> > earliest.
> > > > >  It'd
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >> > > good if
> > > > > > >> > > >>> we could get someone from Mozilla on the hangout as
> > > > > > >> > > >>> well.  I haven't
> > > > > > >> > > gotten
> > > > > > >> > > >>> MozillaView (GeckoView with Cordova methods) fully
> > > > > > >> > > >>> working
> > > > > yet.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> For
> > > > > > >> > > some
> > > > > > >> > > >>> reason it's not rendering on the screen.
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> Ideally it'd be cool to have at least two options
> > > > > > >> > > >>> when this feature
> > > > > > >> > > finally
> > > > > > >> > > >>> lands.
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> What do other people think?
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> Joe
> > > > > > >> > > >>> On 22 Apr 2014 20:06, "Hu, Ningxin"
> > > > > > >> > > >>> <ningxin.hu@intel.com
> > > > > > <mailto:ningxin.hu@intel.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Joe,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Thanks for your review and merge the PRs.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > To pluggable webview interest group:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Are we OK to setup a hangout this week for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > initial
> > > > > > introduction
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > and
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > discussion of next steps?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Thanks,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > -ningxin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > From: Hu, Ningxin [mailto:ningxin.hu@intel.com
> > <mailto:
> > > > > > ningxin.hu@intel.com>]
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:04 PM
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:
> > > > dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > Subject: RE: [Android] Refactoring for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > different engines
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > The PoC is great! Quite excited about the direction!
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > I've sent a PR to update the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > cordova-crosswalk-engine to latest
> > > > > > >> > > >>> crosswalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > embedding API. It works with xwalk_core_library
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > at
> > > > > > 6.35.124.0.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > I've also changed the CordovaWebView interface
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > slightly (adding
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > getView() API)
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > to allow XWalkCordovaWebView to composite a
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > XWalkView
> > > > > > instead
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > extending
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > it. It resolves some API naming issues for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > XWalkView
> > > > case.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > Please review them at:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-crosswalk-engine/pull/3
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-android/pul
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > l/2
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > -ningxin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > From: Joe Bowser [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com
> > <mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>]
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:45 AM
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > To: dev
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > different
> > > > engines
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > Yeah, I'd be cool with setting up a hangout.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > Everyone should
> > > > > > >> > > take a
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > look at the PoC, I've basically distilled it
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > down to
> > > > > four
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > >> > five
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > classes so far, but with some work, we may be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > able to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > >> > > down to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > three.  Due to legacy, we're pretty stuck
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > with the
> > > > > Android
> > > > > > >> > > WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> API
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > calls,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > but these can probably be modified.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > It'd be good to get Mozilla people on the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > call as
> > > > well,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > since
> > > > > > >> > > they
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > have their WebView as well.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Hu, Ningxin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > <
> > > > > > >> > > ningxin.hu@intel.com<mailto:ningxin.hu@intel.com>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Hangout would be a good idea.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > FYI, I will be off next week. How about the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > week
> > > > after
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > next?
> > > > > > >> > > If it
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > works, please
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > feel free to schedule one and count me in.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > > -ningxin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> From:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> mmocny@google.com<mailto:mmocny@google.com
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > [mailto:mmocny@google.com<mailto:mmocny@google.com>] On
> > > > > > >> > Behalf
> > > > > > >> > > Of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Michal Mocny
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:39 PM
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> To: dev
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> different
> > > > > > engines
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Would it be alright to set up a Hangout
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> some time
> > > > to
> > > > > > >> > introduce
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > everyone?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Joe has been leading the effort here, but
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> there are
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > >> > > cordova
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> contributors for whom this is top priority.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> It
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >> > nice
> > > > > > >> > > if
> > > > > > >> > > >>> we
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> could all meet to say hello and make sure
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> we are
> > > > all
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> going
> > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> right
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > direction.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Quite exciting!
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> -Michal
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Hu,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> Ningxin <
> > > > > > >> > > >>> ningxin.hu@intel.com<mailto:ningxin.hu@intel.com>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > Joe, thanks for this. I am very excited.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > FYI. Crosswalk team is working on
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > refactoring the WebView
> > > > > > >> > > API to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > support embedding usage better [1].
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > (Previously
> > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > layer
> > > > > > >> > > API
> > > > > > >> > > >>> was
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > not exposed as public usage).
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > I would like to review the PoC and work
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > with you
> > > > to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > >> > > >>> Crosswalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > fits into the pluggable WebView architecture.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > -ningxin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > From: Joe Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > [mailto:bowserj@gmail.com
> > > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>]
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:08
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > AM
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > To: dev
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Android] Refactoring for
> > > > different
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > engines
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > Hey
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > After debugging, I did some minor
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > updates to
> > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > plugin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> README.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > It
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > should be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > easier to get this up and running,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > although
> > > > > there's
> > > > > > >> > still
> > > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > issue of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > after-install
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > hooks and the relative path weirdness
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > with the Crosswalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > Library itself.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > It still doesn't support the CLI at
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > all, but it should
> > > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> there
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > with the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > old flow.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > Michal Mocny
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > <mmocny@chromium.org<mailto:
> > > > mmocny@chromium.org
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > (Sorry Joe, Googlers are down in
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > California
> > > > and
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > >> > > busy.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > Will be back in a week.  Super
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > excited about
> > > > > > this,
> > > > > > >> > > though.)
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > -Michal
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Joe
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:bowserj@gmail.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > > com
> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> Reviving this thread!
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> Can other people look at this, and
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> see
> > > > if/when
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > >> > > should
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > land this?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> I know that I have to re-write the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> tests
> > > > > still,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> but I
> > > > > > >> > > would
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> like some feedback before merging it in.
> > > > >  Also,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> it'd
> > > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> super awesome if other people could
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> try and
> > > > > > make a
> > > > > > >> > > WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> based on the interfaces and
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> recommend which methods
> > > > > > >> > > should
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> die.  I want to get this released
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> in the
> > > > next
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> month
> > > > > > >> > or
> > > > > > >> > > so,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> so any time and feedback would be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> greatly
> > > > > > >> > appreciated.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> Thanks
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:50 PM,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> Joe Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:bowserj@g
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> mail .com
> > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > Hey, I created the following
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > today to
> > > > track
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > various WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > progresses:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-6246
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > I also have this repo created.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > The
> > > > > licensing
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > >> > > ugly as
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > all crap, but it's a Proof-Of-Concept:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-crosswalk-engine
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > If I can get some help getting
> > plugman to
> > > > > just
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > load Crosswalk, it'll
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> look hawt.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > BTW: We should probably get this
> > ready to
> > > > go
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > into
> > > > > > >> > > Android
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > in the next two months and deprecate
> > the
> > > > > > >> > setProperty
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > methods, since all properties should
> > be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > preferences
> > > > > > >> > > in
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > config.xml
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > now.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Joe
> > > > Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:
> > > > bowserj@gmail.com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> Perhaps. There would be additional
> > > > benefits
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > this
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> approach, namely fixes being added to
> > > > that
> > > > > > >> > platform
> > > > > > >> > > more
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> quickly.  I'll probably take a look
> > at
> > > > that
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> once I
> > > > > > >> > > have
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> Crosswalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > finalized.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:49 AM,
> > Brian
> > > > > LeRoux
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >> <b@brian.io<mailto:b@brian.io>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> this is great stuff
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> do we think it may be possible to
> > bring
> > > > in
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> amazon
> > > > > > >> > > >>> fireos
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> stuff
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> eventually
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> too?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Joe
> > > > Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>> <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:
> > > > > bowserj@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> BTW: I committed it in my repo,
> > not the
> > > > > > main
> > > > > > >> > > Apache
> > > > > > >> > > >>> one.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Joe
> > > > > Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > Hey
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > I just committed some code based
> > on
> > > > > their
> > > > > > >> > > WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > modifications that allows you to
> > > > choose
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > your
> > > > > > >> > > >>> renderer
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > in the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > config file
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > with this:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >     <preference name="webView"
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> value="org.apache.cordova.engine.crosswalk.XWalkCordo
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > va
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > Web
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > View
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > " />
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > You currently have to copy over
> > the
> > > > > *.pak
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > file
> > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > the jsapi from a Crosswalk
> > Example
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > to
> > > > > > >> > > get
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > this to work.  The next thing
> > that
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > going
> > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > >> > > do
> > > > > > >> > > >>> is
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > figure out how to write this as a
> > > > > plugin
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > and
> > > > > > >> > > have it
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > install on a default
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > project.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > Also, right now the bridge
> > doesn't
> > > > seem
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > work, and
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > I don't know why exactly.  That
> > being
> > > > > > said,
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> fact
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > that I can choose which version
> > of
> > > > > > >> > > Chrome/Chromium
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > I'm running with
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> a
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > single XML preference is HUGE.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > There's definitely a lot more
> > work
> > > > that
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > needs
> > > > > > >> > > to be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > done, but as
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> long
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > as we have something that we can
> > fit
> > > > > into
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > interface, we should
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > able to put in things like
> > GeckoView
> > > > or
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > other
> > > > > > >> > > third
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > party
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > renderers.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > The nightmare of being stuck with
> > > > > > bullshit
> > > > > > >> > > WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > bugs may soon be over.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM,
> > > > Michal
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > Mocny
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> > <mmocny@chromium.org<mailto:
> > > > > > mmocny@chromium.org>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> https://github.com/crosswalk-project/crosswalk-cordo
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> va
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> -an
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> droi
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> d
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> First patch they landed, which
> > > > claims
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> have
> > > > > > >> > > min
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> viable xwalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> webview:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > https://github.com/crosswalk-project/crosswalk-cordova-andro
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> id
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> /co
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> mmit
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > /a04dedeb0204e7542d190312c6ae70c795a26e04
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:37 PM,
> > > > > Michal
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> Mocny
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >> <mmocny@chromium.org<mailto:
> > > > > > mmocny@chromium.org>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> I haven't looked yet, but did
> > you
> > > > > see:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> https://crosswalk-project.org/#wiki/crosswalk-cordo
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> va
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> -an
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> droi
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> d
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> ?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:20
> > PM,
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > >> > > Grieve <
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> agrieve@chromium.org<mailto:
> > > > > > agrieve@chromium.org>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> First - very excited that
> > you're
> > > > > > working
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> on
> > > > > > >> > > this!
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> Had a quick look. Not sure
> > there's
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> to
> > > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > gleaned
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > yet.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> Once
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> you
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> start
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> in on hooking up x-walk's
> > webview
> > > > I
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> think
> > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > >> > > will
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> become more
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> obvious
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> what
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> the interface should look
> > like.
> > > > > E.g.,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> does
> > > > > > >> > > x-walk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> even have the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> concept of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> ChromeClient vs WebViewClient
> > vs
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> WebView?
> > > > > > >> > > Also
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> unsure whether the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> class
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> should extend android.View as
> > well
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >> > > implement
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> our
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > interface.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> E.g.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> alternative is to have a
> > > > "getView()"
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> method
> > > > > > >> > > on
> > > > > > >> > > >>> the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > interface.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> Might
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> help
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> cut down on file sizes, and
> > API
> > > > > > surface,
> > > > > > >> > but
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> again, I'm not too
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> sure.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> I've been pretty hesitant to
> > touch
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> existing
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> exposed members
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> (e.g. the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> public fields you were
> > referring
> > > > to)
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> since
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> touching anything
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> public
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> could
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> break plugins. That said,
> > maybe
> > > > now
> > > > > > is a
> > > > > > >> > good
> > > > > > >> > > >>> time
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> to @deprecate
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> a
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> bunch
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> them and either replace them
> > with
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> getters,
> > > > > > >> > or
> > > > > > >> > > >>> just
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> declare them
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> to be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> not
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> exposed to plugins.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:57
> > PM,
> > > > Joe
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> Bowser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> <bowserj@gmail.com<mailto:
> > > > > > bowserj@gmail.com>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > So, after looking at the
> > > > Crosswalk
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > code
> > > > > > >> > > again,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > I've decided to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> take
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> a
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > quick stab at making things
> > > > > > pluggable.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > I
> > > > > > >> > > don't
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > have a lot to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> show
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> for
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > it, but with the help of
> > Eclipse
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > (which
> > > > > > >> > is
> > > > > > >> > > why
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > the generated interfaces
> > look so
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > screwed
> > > > > > >> > > up), I
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > managed to create some
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> interfaces
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> so
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > we can start shoehorning in
> > > > other
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > browser
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > renderers.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > https://github.com/infil00p/cordova-android/tree/pluggable_w
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> eb
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> vie
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> w
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > I'm going to probably start
> > with
> > > > > > >> > Crosswalk,
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > because it's
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> probably
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > most mature primary
> > candidate in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > Android
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > Third-Party
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> WebView
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > thing, and I'm pretty sure
> > the
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > GeckoView
> > > > > > >> > > will
> > > > > > >> > > >>> be
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > happening
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> shortly
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > after.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > I don't know how this would
> > work
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > w.r.t.
> > > > > > >> > > the CLI
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > or our
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> workflow at
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > all, but at the moment, I
> > really
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > >> > want
> > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > >> > > >>> at
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > least start
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> to have
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > some headway towards 4.x and
> > > > > > PhoneGap
> > > > > > >> > day.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > What do people think of
> > this so
> > > > > far?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > I'm
> > > > > > >> > > going
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > to try to clean
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> things
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > up a bit, since we've
> > definitely
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > a
> > > > > > >> > > lot of
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > things that
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> would
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> make
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > first year CS profs freak
> > the
> > > > hell
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > >> > > (i.e.
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > public members in
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> public
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > objects w.r.t.
> > PluginManager).
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > Thoughts?
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> > Joe
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >> >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > >>> > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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