Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09D44100F2 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58086 invoked by uid 500); 18 Oct 2013 15:37:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 58059 invoked by uid 500); 18 Oct 2013 15:37:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 57930 invoked by uid 99); 18 Oct 2013 15:37:49 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:37:49 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_REPLY,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of mike.billau@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.45] (HELO mail-la0-f45.google.com) (209.85.215.45) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:37:44 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eh20so876733lab.18 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iWQQoZO3TyR0e/1f6O/w2wdVdXRlqKtm/d+Q1e3FmR8=; b=ASPW+/ILFDbHMr1lJA921Qc18K3ed6pg2fUAfE8q1GlcyCoSoy6vmI7jRlwNC6ei2Q 7Si4hV3Nyv42/WyFiTnGT3DV5qKIUejHSFwOCybFuDHezIyOoPtKnCM0C6oGglBoaYB7 LmrHY4pfB/+beQiUdhyLYCQueJ7SHmClluaK5XIFC089nutBSjNV4rSZFa5R8c8h2/0p 2w/6zXm4G7bGwqIIgSjg4Y5/mcKVB3zAl5lDHIq2pyszou8VnaJ/csIldyv1ck8GB8lW iswTsy3oPIlwPSvO57mhD3PRsyw6J3dgBOnDTVkXNstyCY43qub9mAdtEBaQgicQ4M+N AwiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.6.202 with SMTP id d10mr951136laa.49.1382110643563; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.132.8 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:37:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95818EB9-CE1F-451A-8CC2-09EC8A764CFF@gmail.com> <38E977FD-610B-44B6-9E3F-43D7EC960FF3@redhat.com> <52600aca.42a4420a.14b5.1920@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Post 3.1 release committer & community meeting From: Mike Billau To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01419b1cf3330404e905b527 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --089e01419b1cf3330404e905b527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi. I ended up skipping my Spanish class and signing onto the Youtube broadcast. I took some longer note, feel free to skim through: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVyfFZ-kCIkg1Cnftxfm3viXHpxpJ2zdVa8B1CK0qU0/(Was going to paste them but they turned out a lot longer than I remembered...) I wanted to summarize the few unresolved issues from the hangout: 1. We agreed to publish the snapshot of which plugins were tested at which cadence release. Where are we going to publish this? Will it be part of some .json file? - What about just tagging the plugin repos? 2. Did not really figure out the problem with core and non core plugins, how much support to offer, and where to do issue tracking. - Seems like plugin authors should solve this - For our plugins, We can use Github issue tracking - Expecting email about this 3. Registry issues - Encourage 3rd party registries or not? - Just going to doc the registry for now and later when it's ready do more announcing and doc'ing 4. Doc issues - Didn't talk about doc migration but need to - Not sure how docs will be released but currently it's a bad process - Mike Seirra recently wrote up some doc milestones and planning, maybe we should discuss on that thread Sorry I missed you guys yesterday! Mike Billau On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Andrew Grieve wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Michal Mocny wrote: > > > My Short notes from meeting, longer emails to follow about some of these > > topics: > > > > ================================ > > > > CI/Medic brief description > > > > > > Summarize Mike's CordovaTests prototype > > > > -- Looks good, but do we support plugin.xml ? > > > > -- Jesse's alternative: test/ folder to have a plugin.xml that > > on top level, installed optionally > > > > > > Plugin download counts, yay! > > > > -- How to filter out contributor download counts? Repeat download > counts? > > > > -- What about system cookies curl-style, or some other system > > fingerprinting to plugman? > > > > > > 2.9.x (and 3.2?) > > > > -- 2.9.1 and 2.9.2 etc will be released on cadence schedule > > > > -- Steven is starting the 3.2 release next week > > > I think 2.9.1 is next week. And 3.2 whenever we get that done. > > > -- We continue to release monthly for now, even if very little work on > > platforms. Try to make the flow fast enough to not be a pain > > > > > > Plugin dependancies versions > > > > -- How to know which plugin versions tested? (Braden's "info" command) > > > > -- how to make non backwards compatible changes? > > > > -- can't depend on specific version because we cannot install more than > > one plugin-version > > > > -- perhaps always use "latest" supported, but then plugins can't update > > MAJOR outside of CadVer updates? > > > > > > Splitting cordova-cli into cordova-lib > > > > -- SemVer and CadVer for downstream > > > > -- mobile-chrome-apps would like this, and Jeffrey Heifetz says BB is > > interested (phonegap-cli likely too) > > > > -- Andrew to email about exactly what he means > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Andrew Grieve >wrote: > > > >> And here's the viewing link! > >> > >> http://youtu.be/X3bUWVHeJJ0 > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Grieve > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Also, if you're having trouble connecting, I'll be on IRC. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Grieve >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> Okay, for those who want to be able to talk: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a8df1213897c69821d177842af7d2bfbf948ef2b > >> >> > >> >> I'll post the viewing link closer to 5:30 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Joe Bowser > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I meant that we'll be using my laptop here in Vancouver at the Regus > >> >>> space. Who is hosting the hangout? > >> >>> > >> >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Joe Bowser > >> wrote: > >> >>> > So, can I get an invite to the hangout? I'll be hosting it from > the > >> >>> > Regus space in Vancouver. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Michal Mocny < > mmocny@chromium.org> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >> EST. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, purplecabbage < > >> >>> purplecabbage@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >>> What time zone is this 5:30 PM occurring in? It was implied > >> earlier > >> >>> that > >> >>> >>> this was EST, but not absolutely stated. > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> > On Oct 17, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Michal Mocny < > mmocny@chromium.org> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > I don't know that the invite list was super useful last time. > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > We will post the URL to the public stream here at 5:30 and > post > >> >>> >>> > instructions on how to join the stream for those who want to > >> >>> speak. Once > >> >>> >>> > again we will be limited to 10, so please use the viewing-only > >> >>> option if > >> >>> >>> > you can. > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > -Michal > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Lucas Holmquist < > >> >>> lholmqui@redhat.com > >> >>> >>> >wrote: > >> >>> >>> > > >> >>> >>> >> Nope, just wondering if there was a sign up sheet like last > >> >>> time, i > >> >>> >>> >> didn't see one other than the doodle about the times > >> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Michal Mocny < > >> mmocny@chromium.org> > >> >>> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> Yes, is that a concern? > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lucas Holmquist < > >> >>> lholmqui@redhat.com > >> >>> >>> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>>> will this also be a hangout like last time > >> >>> >>> >>>>> On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> mmocny@chromium.org> > >> >>> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>> Reminder, this is today. > >> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:11 PM, James Jong < > >> >>> wjamesjong@gmail.com> > >> >>> >>> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> - Latest updates / strategic direction on medic & CI > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> -James Jong > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Grieve < > >> >>> agrieve@chromium.org> > >> >>> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> This is coming up this Thursday! What do people want to > >> talk > >> >>> about? > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> Here's > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> a couple to get us going: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> - Plugin registry download counts (Are these available > >> yet) > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> - Idea: Split cordova-cli-lib from cordova-cli on NPM > >> (have > >> >>> >>> >> cordova-cli > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> and > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> phonegap-cli depend on cordova-cli-lib) > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> - Michal's work on CDVTest > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> mmocny@google.com> > >> >>> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Alright, Looks like Thu 17 is the clear winner, with > not > >> a > >> >>> single > >> >>> >>> >>>> person > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> having any complaints about that time. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Brian cannot make it until 6pm EST, but I'm going to > >> >>> schedule > >> >>> >>> start > >> >>> >>> >>>> time > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> for 5:30 for the inevitable hiccups and introductions > and > >> >>> any > >> >>> >>> agenda > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> overview etc. It will very likely be 6pm before we get > >> >>> into the > >> >>> >>> >> thick > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> of > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> things. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> We will send out exact details on this thread the day > of, > >> >>> See you > >> >>> >>> >> all > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> then. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> -Michal > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> mmocny@google.com> > >> >>> >>> >>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, options are updated for the poll ( > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/2pmy2ptafmxsrna2 > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> ) > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> For those who filled it out, sorry, you will need to > do > >> it > >> >>> again. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> mmocny@google.com> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Ugh Sorry that was a misreading of course. I'll set > up > >> a > >> >>> new > >> >>> >>> >> doodle > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2013-10-06 1:52 AM, "Tommy Williams" < > >> >>> tommy@devgeeks.org> > >> >>> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 for post 16th for Joe availability. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, thanks for thinking of Australia... One > benefit > >> of > >> >>> the > >> >>> >>> time > >> >>> >>> >>>> of > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> year, > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the nasty time difference just got an hour better > >> >>> today... > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> - tommy > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 Oct 2013 08:33, "Jesse" < > >> purplecabbage@gmail.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I filled it out, however, Joe is not available > until > >> >>> after the > >> >>> >>> >>>> 15th. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we should aim for the 16-18th as a window. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> @purplecabbage > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> risingj.com > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> >>> >> mmocny@chromium.org > >> >>> >>> >>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.doodle.com/2pmy2ptafmxsrna2 > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I put a lot of options for time (sorry) since I > >> wasn't > >> >>> sure > >> >>> >>> if > >> >>> >>> >> we > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> should > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> europe or australia friendly this time. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are also three options this time: yes, > (yes), > >> >>> no, where > >> >>> >>> >> the > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> middle > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> option is supposed to be a "prefer not, but if > need > >> >>> be, fine" > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Michal > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Michal Mocny < > >> >>> >>> >>>> mmocny@chromium.org> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11-15 sounds like the range to shoot for. I'll > set > >> >>> up a > >> >>> >>> >>>> doodle.. > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Joe Bowser < > >> >>> >>> bowserj@gmail.com > >> >>> >>> >>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm unavailable until after the 15th. I'll be at > >> Big > >> >>> >>> Android > >> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> BBQ. > >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> >>> >> > >> >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > --089e01419b1cf3330404e905b527--