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From Ian Clelland <iclell...@google.com>
Subject Re: Tag 2.9.1
Date Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:05:17 GMT
I don't think so -- I think that a special policy was enacted to help
developers who want to stick with the 2.x series. Some people and
organizations may be unable to move to 3.x, and so we should make efforts
to fix bugs in 2.9 for some time.

The situation for 3.0 is different -- the recommended solution for dealing
with bugs in 3.0 is "upgrade to 3.1".



On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM, David Kemp <drkemp@google.com> wrote:

> When the dust settles about what to backport to 2.9, does that mean that
> all of that gets pushed back to 3.0 as well?
> Plus more?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To reiterate (before updating the wiki page)
> >
> > - Backporting ends with the 3.5 release (or six months, whichever comes
> > first)
> > - Only backport fixes to 2.9 for serious platform breakages and "easy"
> > plugin changes, not new features (iOS 7 changes are new features)
> > - No re-organizing of plugins to backport code to (for example in 3.0
> > the Notification
> > plugin diverged into the Notification and Vibration  plugins, so for 2.9
> we
> > won't re-organize it also)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Dan,
> > > All feedback appreciated! It's one way to contribute, among others. I
> > > kicked off a Wiki page under "How to Contribute" -- called 2.9.x
> support,
> > > right now it's empty -- I'll populate it with what we discussed.
> > >
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/2.9.x%20Support
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Dan Moore <moore234@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>
> > >> I know this is a dev list, so please let me know if I'm out of line
> > >> posting (since I am a user and not a dev), but I couldn't restrain
> > myself
> > >> from chiming in on this issue.
> > >>
> > >> First, thanks for supporting 2.9.x for a while.  As a user developing
> on
> > >> top of Cordova, chasing Cordova versions can be tough.  I really felt
> > good
> > >> about committing to 2.9, especially since 3.x was such a big (good,
> but
> > >> big) change.
> > >>
> > >> As a user, I would advocate for:
> > >> * having a clear end of life date for 2.9.x (3.5 or 6 months or
> > whichever
> > >> comes first).  The blog is a fine place to put this, but I'd also add
> > it to
> > >> the 2.9 docs, announce it on the phonegap google group, etc.
> > >> * porting as much as possible back (including iOS 7 support)
> > >> * documenting what you can't or won't backport in the blog and in the
> > >> 2.9.x docs, so users can make an informed choice.
> > >>
> > >> From this thread, seems like you aren't interested in porting new
> device
> > >> support back to 2.9.x.  That is a bummer.  Is that because of the
> > effort?
> > >>
> > >> When I read that 2.9.x was going to be supported for a 'long time':
> > >> http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-cordova-2-8-1-on-android/  I
> wasn't
> > >> sure what that meant, but I hoped it meant support for major new
> > versions
> > >> of devices (especially on the two marquee platforms).
> > >>
> > >> As far as no one moving to 3.x, I would say that when you specify the
> > end
> > >> of life of 2.9.x, that will be a clear signal it is time to move.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I'm sure I can live with whatever is decided, but please do
> > >> communicate this as clearly and loudly as you can to us users.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Dan Moore
> > >> Developing with Cordova CLI
> > >> https://leanpub.com/developingwithcordovacli
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >>  From: Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io>
> > >> To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:02 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Tag 2.9.1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> yes and yes!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Marcel Kinard <cmarcelk@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > So my intepretation of these comments is:
> > >> > - backport fixes to 2.9 for serious platform breakages and "easy"
> > plugin
> > >> > changes, not new features (new device OS capability such as iOS 7
is
> > >> > considered a new feature)
> > >> > - stop backporting anything to 2.9 when 3.5 comes out
> > >> >
> > >> > If so, should this be spelled out somwhere, such as
> > >> > cordova.apache.org/blog?
> > >> >
> > >> > On Oct 15, 2013, at 8:24 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > 3.5
> > >> > >
> > >> > > (Or six months.)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > But ya, what Jesse said.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2013, Jesse wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> I would not add iOS7 support.
> > >> > >> I would consider adding any plugin changes if it is not too
> > difficult
> > >> > to do
> > >> > >> so.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> @purplecabbage
> > >> > >> risingj.com
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com
> > >> <javascript:;>>
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> Nothing is "completely" broken in iOS 7, although with
iOS 7
> > issues
> > >> > that
> > >> > >> is
> > >> > >>> debatable. If we keep patching 2.9.x no one will move
on to
> 3.x...
> > >> (at
> > >> > >>> least for iOS). There has to be an ending...
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com
> > >> > <javascript:;>>
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>> Decide what is completely broken in your platform,
that is
> > >> reasonable
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >>>> fix, and fix it.
> > >> > >>>> No promises ... just fix what we can, and document
that it is
> > >> fixed. I
> > >> > >>>> think...
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> @purplecabbage
> > >> > >>>> risingj.com
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com
> > >> > <javascript:;>>
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>>> One question about this that was not answered.
When does
> > >> back-porting
> > >> > >>>> end?
> > >> > >>>>> I'm not sure what we promised for 2.9.x support
going
> forward...
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Jesse <
> purplecabbage@gmail.com
> > >> > <javascript:;>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> Okay, I am actively working on back-porting
plugin fixes into
> > >> 2.9.1
> > >> > >>> for
> > >> > >>>>>> WP7, WP8, and Windows8
> > >> > >>>>>> What is the status of Android, BB, iOS, ...
?
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> @purplecabbage
> > >> > >>>>>> risingj.com
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
<
> > >> > >>>>> purplecabbage@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Yes, now that 3.1.0 is out the door,
we can do this.
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Joe
Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> > >> > <javascript:;>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>> I think we need to just have everyone
go through their work
> > >> > >> over
> > >> > >>>> the
> > >> > >>>>>>>> past month and see if they missed
backports.  I didn't
> > actually
> > >> > >>>> have
> > >> > >>>>>>>> very much missed, and I just backported
the File plugin in
> > the
> > >> > >>>> 2.9.1
> > >> > >>>>>>>> branch.  Of course, with backporting,
we need more people
> to
> > >> > >> look
> > >> > >>>> at
> > >> > >>>>>>>> what was in 3.1.0 and the plugins
and check to make sure we
> > >> > >>>> backport
> > >> > >>>>>>>> everything, since this is really
tricky and spans all the
> > >> > >> plugin
> > >> > >>>>>>>> repos. :(
> > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:00
AM, Marcel Kinard <
> > >> > >>>> cmarcelk@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > >> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> This thread seems to have gone
quiet without a consensus.
> > >> > >> Should
> > >> > >>>>> there
> > >> > >>>>>>> be additional 2.9.x releases going forward?
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>> If so, how often? What kind of
fixes should be backported?
> > >> > >>> Include
> > >> > >>>>>>> updated docs?
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 2:50 PM,
Jesse <
> purplecabbage@gmail.com
> > >> > <javascript:;>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> As soon as we are done with
3.1.0 it would be a good time
> > to
> > >> > >> go
> > >> > >>>>> back
> > >> > >>>>>>> and
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> back-fill for a 2,9,1 release.
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Who's with me?
> > >> > >>>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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