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From Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org>
Subject Re: Releases in a 3.0 World
Date Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:54:19 GMT
I think we should get the manual steps ironed out on the
https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/StepsForPluginRelease site before we try to
automate.

I just tried what you said and got:

> ../cordova-plugman/main.js publish .
> forbidden user: agrieve not authorized to modify
> org.apache.cordova.core.file
> Changed: dist-tags.latest "0.2.1" -> "0.1.0"
> Changed: versions.0.1.0.dist.tarball "
> http://registry.cordova.io/org.apache.cordova.core.file/-/org.apache.cordova.core.file-0.1.0.tgz"
> -> "
> http://cordova.iriscouch.com/registry/_design/scratch/_rewrite/org.apache.cordova.core.file/-/org.apache.cordova.core.file-0.1.0.tgz
> "
> Added: versions.0.1.0.directories
> Deleted: versions.0.2.1
> Changed: time.modified "2013-09-09T21:45:49.845Z" ->
> "2013-09-10T17:48:52.345Z":
> org.apache.cordova.core.file/-rev/5-20a7ea85f95935cfcd969cc1d71230fc


1. We'll need a strategy for allowing all cordova devs to have perms to
update the registry
2. It looks like even though it failed, it continued to edit the registry?





On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com> wrote:

> Reviving this thread for 3.1
>
> One thing that is not part of [1] is publishing all plugins and
> updating versions to our registry.
>
> Could coho automate this process as well ?
>
> Basically we need to run "plugman publish cordova-plugin-*" after
> updating each plugin version.
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CuttingReleases
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org
> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> agrieve@chromium.org
> >>>>> >wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> Responses inline. For all of them, I'll update the wiki to make
> >>>>> things
> >>>>> >> clear.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Michal Mocny <
> mmocny@chromium.org
> >>>>> >wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> For Strategy page:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> RE: Weekly Releases -- do we skip a release if there is nothing
> >>>>> >>> significant
> >>>>> >>> to push, or do we release so long as there is at least one patch?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >> I'd say skip.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> RE: Cadence Releases -- "These releases include: platform repos,
> >>>>> >>> cordova-js, mobile-spec, cordova-docs, cordova-cli,
> >>>>> cordova-plugman" --
> >>>>> >>> clarifying that "include" for the sem-ver projects means only
> >>>>> packaging
> >>>>> >>> into a zip/tarball, not that we bump versions numbers during a
> >>>>> cadence
> >>>>> >>> release?  Or do we bump sem-ver as well?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> cordova-js, mobile-spec, cordova-docs, cordova-cli: Update their
> >>>>> versions
> >>>>> >> to the current CadVer
> >>>>> >> plugman: Probably should be removed from this list.
> >>>>> >> platform-repos: semver bump if there were any changes since prev
> >>>>> release.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>> ======
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> For plugin release page:
> >>>>> >>>   "# Edit version within plugin.xml based off of changes."   ---
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> >>> means
> >>>>> >>> "deduce the semantic effect on version" right?  IE, is it a
> >>>>> >>> major/minor/point release?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >> Yes (will update wording)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Generally, how do we prevent changes from sneaking in to core
> >>>>> plugins
> >>>>> >>> during the time it takes release master to make the changes?  The
> >>>>> release
> >>>>> >>> master has to commit back to Changelog.  Perhaps he/she makes
> that
> >>>>> change
> >>>>> >>> directly on master, and we rebase that change back into dev after
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >>> release?  That way, we don't read from dev branch once a release
> >>>>> process
> >>>>> >>> is
> >>>>> >>> started.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >> Hrm, how about instead of merging dev->master, we merge
> CHANGELOG.md
> >>>>> >> commit -> master.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> > Actually, this will work fine as-is so long as you don't git pull
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> > middle of things. going to leave as-is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You'll need to pull again in order to push if a commit snuck in, no?
> >>>>
> >>>> The steps right now seem to be: pull dev, Update Changelog and
> VERSION,
> >>>> push to dev.  Which may perhaps be automated into such a small window
> that
> >>>> it doesn't matter, but if it includes reviewing each change and
> testing,
> >>>> then it may mean opportunity for new changes to sneak into master.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> "For each plugin that had unreleased commits .. increment the
> >>>>> micro"  --
> >>>>> >>> why?
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >> So that the version on dev is greater than the version on master.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I still don't understand.  If the plugin had no unreleased commits,
> then
> >>> master version didn't increment, and dev version should remain > master
> >>> version without a bump, no?  Perhaps its supposed to say, for each
> plugin
> >>> that *had* a release?
> >>>
> >> Sounds right to me. "had unreleased commits" == "had a release", no?
> >>
> >
> > Okay thats my confusion.  A plugin may have commits which we decide are
> not
> > important enough to warrant releasing (you clarified that earlier).  So
> > "had unreleased commits" to me meant "all plugins whose commits on dev
> are
> > not being released to master at this moment".  May want to clarify the
> > wiki, but at least we are on the same page.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>  >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> TEST section -- suggest adding a not to the top of the guide so
> >>>>> that you
> >>>>> >>> create mobile-spec BEFORE starting the release.  This way, you
> >>>>> create a
> >>>>> >>> project with the old versions of plugins more easily.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Good idea.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> > Actually - going to wait on this as well. It's unlikely that even
> >>>>> before
> >>>>> you start that you'll have the old versions of things checked out
> (more
> >>>>> likely you have some in-between releases state). Once we have the
> >>>>> registry,
> >>>>> we can do this easily.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>> ======
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Generally these looks really good (haven't finished reading
> Cadence
> >>>>> >>> release
> >>>>> >>> doc yet, will comment on that soon).  However, while I love the
> code
> >>>>> >>> snippets for suggested commands, some of them look like they
> >>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>> >>> work
> >>>>> >>> if you copy&paste them.  Perhaps we should go through the docs on
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >>> next
> >>>>> >>> release and make it clear which are verbatim commands and which
> are
> >>>>> just
> >>>>> >>> documentation-with-code.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> >>>>> agrieve@chromium.org>
> >>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> > Finally finished updating the wiki's instructions to follow
> this
> >>>>> >>> proposal.
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > Summary of changes:
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/VersioningAndReleaseStrategy
> >>>>> >>> >   - Explains our versioning strategy (SemVer vs CadVer)
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CommitterWorkflow
> >>>>> >>> >   - Extracted Pull Requst Processing into its own page (
> >>>>> >>> > ProcessingPullRequests<
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/ProcessingPullRequests>
> >>>>> >>> > )
> >>>>> >>> >   - Added a "Which Branch to Commit To" section
> >>>>> >>> >   - Minor tweaks to commit process:
> >>>>> >>> >     - Mention `git rebase origin/master -i`
> >>>>> >>> >     - Marked some steps as optional
> >>>>> >>> >     - Linked to post-review (rbtools) install page
> >>>>> >>> >     - Made it more explicit that you should test commits you
> >>>>> patch in
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/StepsForPluginRelease
> >>>>> >>> >   - Process to go through to update core plugins
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/StepsForToolsRelease
> >>>>> >>> >   - Process to go through to update plugman / CLI
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CuttingReleases
> >>>>> >>> >   - Made it clear that it applies to Cadence Releases
> >>>>> >>> >   - Expanded "What to test" section
> >>>>> >>> >   - Added releasing of CLI to the steps
> >>>>> >>> >   - Moved "Official Apache Releases" to the bottom
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > To all steps release steps pages, I've added an "Update
> >>>>> CHANGELOG.md"
> >>>>> >>> step.
> >>>>> >>> > iOS has done this forever, but I think all repos should do it.
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > Would love if these pages could be read by all committers.
> >>>>> Especially
> >>>>> >>> the
> >>>>> >>> > StepsForToolsRelease page, as I've never done a tools release
> >>>>> (and so
> >>>>> >>> was
> >>>>> >>> > somewhat guessing).
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > Another part I'm unsure of is where the mapping to platform
> repo
> >>>>> >>> versions
> >>>>> >>> > is within CLI.
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > There are still some points to discuss, which I will send
> separate
> >>>>> >>> emails
> >>>>> >>> > about :)
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Ian Clelland <
> >>>>> iclelland@google.com>
> >>>>> >>> > wrote:
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> >>>>> agrieve@chromium.org
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>> > > wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > After the discussion on the group hangout + some sleeping,
> I
> >>>>> think
> >>>>> >>> > we're
> >>>>> >>> > > > ready for a proposal... So here it is!
> >>>>> >>> > > > - It does *not* propose any changes to our Deprecation
> policy.
> >>>>> >>> That's
> >>>>> >>> > for
> >>>>> >>> > > > another thread (which I'll get to on Monday if no one else
> >>>>> does) :)
> >>>>> >>> > > > - It does not contain how we store version numbers. That's
> >>>>> covered
> >>>>> >>> > here:
> >>>>> >>> > > > http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/StoringRepoVersionsDesign
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > Once we get to a consensus, I'll transfer this to the wiki.
> >>>>> Please
> >>>>> >>> > > review &
> >>>>> >>> > > > comment!
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > There are two kinds of versions:
> >>>>> >>> > > > 1. "SemVer" (www.semver.org)
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - Used by platforms, plugman, cli
> >>>>> >>> > > > 2. "CadVer" (just made that up :P "Cadence Version")
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - Used by cli, mobile-spec, cordova-js
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > I like this, as it separates the fast-moving, feature-based
> >>>>> semantic
> >>>>> >>> > > version of any given component from the API level, and
> >>>>> >>> interoperability
> >>>>> >>> > > promises, of the "Cadence Version".
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > What, then, is the granularity of the Cadence Version
> intended
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> >>> be? Is
> >>>>> >>> > is
> >>>>> >>> > > the "3" in Cordova 3.0, and will stay at 3 until it hits 4
> next
> >>>>> year?
> >>>>> >>> > (Or,
> >>>>> >>> > > just as descriptively, we can say that it is at "Cordova
> >>>>> Fancy-Pants"
> >>>>> >>> > now,
> >>>>> >>> > > and eventually progress to "Cordova Enraged-Wombat")
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > Or is it going to have major and minor components as well,
> and
> >>>>> >>> advance
> >>>>> >>> > > roughly monthly, as before?
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > There are two kinds of releases:
> >>>>> >>> > > > 1. Patch releases
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - Pretty much any repo can release a patch release to
> fix
> >>>>> bugs
> >>>>> >>> at
> >>>>> >>> > any
> >>>>> >>> > > > time (but should have good reason)
> >>>>> >>> > > > 2. Cadence releases
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - These follow the 10 releases per year, as enumerated
> on:
> >>>>> >>> > > > http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/RoadmapProjects
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-plugins:
> >>>>> >>> > > >  - Commit only to the `dev` branch
> >>>>> >>> > > >  - Use semver for them.
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - If the version on master is "3.0.0", then the version
> on
> >>>>> dev
> >>>>> >>> will
> >>>>> >>> > > > start at "3.0.1-dev".
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - If any commit goes in that add a feature, then change
> the
> >>>>> >>> version
> >>>>> >>> > on
> >>>>> >>> > > > dev to "3.1.0-dev"
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - If any commit goes in that makes an
> >>>>> non-backwards-compatible
> >>>>> >>> > change,
> >>>>> >>> > > > then change the version on dev to "4.0.0-dev"
> >>>>> >>> > > >  - Release plugins at most once a week (Thursdays?)
> >>>>> >>> > > >    - This *does* mean that a change that goes in Wednesday
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> >>> end up
> >>>>> >>> > > > being released the next day.
> >>>>> >>> > > >  - Release plugins all at the same time so that we can blog
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >>> release
> >>>>> >>> > > > notes.
> >>>>> >>> > > >  - Release process:
> >>>>> >>> > > >    1. Create a JIRA issue to track the status of the
> release.
> >>>>> >>> > > >      a. Comments should be added to this bug after each
> >>>>> top-level
> >>>>> >>> step
> >>>>> >>> > > > below is taken
> >>>>> >>> > > >    2. For each plugin that has unreleased commits on their
> >>>>> `dev`
> >>>>> >>> > branch:
> >>>>> >>> > > >      a. Update its CHANGELOG file with a prettified version
> >>>>> of "git
> >>>>> >>> > log"
> >>>>> >>> > > >      b. Update its plugin.xml version by removing the
> "-dev"
> >>>>> suffix
> >>>>> >>> > > >      c. Merge dev -> master (without pushing)
> >>>>> >>> > > >      d. Update its plugin.xml version by incrementing the
> >>>>> micro and
> >>>>> >>> > > adding
> >>>>> >>> > > > "-dev" (as described above)
> >>>>> >>> > > >    3. Combine all plugin changelogs into a Release
> >>>>> announcement
> >>>>> >>> blog
> >>>>> >>> > post
> >>>>> >>> > > > on cordova-website.
> >>>>> >>> > > >      a. Steps for this exist in cordova-website's README.md
> >>>>> >>> > > >    4. Test
> >>>>> >>> > > >      a. Create mobilespec using the old versions of plugins
> >>>>> >>> > > >      b. Perform a "plugin upgrade" for plugins that have
> >>>>> changes
> >>>>> >>> (right
> >>>>> >>> > > > now, this means doing a `plugin remove` followed by a
> `plugin
> >>>>> add`
> >>>>> >>> > > >      c. Run through mobilespec, ensuring to do manual tests
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> >>> relate
> >>>>> >>> > > to
> >>>>> >>> > > > changes in the changelog
> >>>>> >>> > > >    5. Push!
> >>>>> >>> > > >      a. Push all branches
> >>>>> >>> > > >      b. Push the blog post
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-plugman:
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Commit to master always
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Release only when necessary.
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Release process:
> >>>>> >>> > > >     1. For releases that increment the minor or major,
> email
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> >>> dev
> >>>>> >>> > list
> >>>>> >>> > > > to let others know about your intent to release (include
> >>>>> changelog)
> >>>>> >>> > > >        a) Wait for at least one +1
> >>>>> >>> > > >     2. Increment the version within package.json
> >>>>> >>> > > >     3. Update RELEASENOTES.md with the changes for this
> >>>>> release
> >>>>> >>> > > >     4. Push to npmjs.org
> >>>>> >>> > > >        * In order to push, you must be given push access to
> >>>>> the npm
> >>>>> >>> > > module.
> >>>>> >>> > > >        * To do so, ask one of the existing module
> maintainers
> >>>>> >>> (listed
> >>>>> >>> > > here:
> >>>>> >>> > > > https://npmjs.org/package/plugman)
> >>>>> >>> > > >     5. Post a release announcement on the cordova blog (for
> >>>>> feature
> >>>>> >>> > > > releases only)
> >>>>> >>> > > >       a. Steps for this exist in cordova-website's
> README.md
> >>>>> >>> > > >       b. Not necessary for patch releases, but feature
> >>>>> releases
> >>>>> >>> should
> >>>>> >>> > > > mention significant bugs fixed by previous patch releases.
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > No JIRA: The process is light-weight enough that a JIRA
> issue
> >>>>> isn't
> >>>>> >>> > > > necessary for tracking.
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-cli:
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Commit to master, release from release branches (2.9.x,
> >>>>> 3.0.x,
> >>>>> >>> etc)
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Versioned using "$COROVA_VERSION-$CLI_VERSION"
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - E.g. 3.0.0-0.5.1
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - The first version component is the "cadence version",
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> >>> has its
> >>>>> >>> > > > minor incremented whenever the platform repository that it
> >>>>> lazy
> >>>>> >>> loads
> >>>>> >>> > by
> >>>>> >>> > > > default is changed
> >>>>> >>> > > >        - E.g. 3.0.0 uses cordova-blackberry@3.0.0,
> >>>>> >>> cordova-ios@3.0.0,
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-android@3.0.0
> >>>>> >>> > > >        - E.g. 3.1.0 uses cordova-blackberry@3.1.0,
> >>>>> >>> cordova-ios@3.0.1,
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-android@4.0.0
> >>>>> >>> > > >         - E.g. 3.2.0 uses cordova-blackberry@3.1.1,
> >>>>> >>> cordova-ios@3.1.0,
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-android@4.0.1
> >>>>> >>> > > >        - E.g. 3.2.1 uses cordova-blackberry@3.1.2,
> >>>>> >>> cordova-ios@3.1.0,
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova-android@4.0.1
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - The version number of cordova-cli will be the version
> >>>>> number
> >>>>> >>> that
> >>>>> >>> > we
> >>>>> >>> > > > advertise on our website, blogs & docs
> >>>>> >>> > > >        - Platform version numbers will use semver, and not
> be
> >>>>> >>> > referenced
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Release process for patch releases:
> >>>>> >>> > > >     1. cherry-pick commits from master -> latest release
> >>>>> branch
> >>>>> >>> > > >     2. Increment package.json's micro version
> >>>>> >>> > > >     3. Update RELEASENOTES.md
> >>>>> >>> > > >     4. Push to npmjs.org
> >>>>> >>> > > >        * In order to push, you must be given push access to
> >>>>> the npm
> >>>>> >>> > > module.
> >>>>> >>> > > >        * To do so, ask one of the existing module
> maintainers
> >>>>> >>> (listed
> >>>>> >>> > > here:
> >>>>> >>> > > > https://npmjs.org/package/cordova)
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Release process for minor version
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - Same as patch release, and in addition:
> >>>>> >>> > > >       1. Email the dev list to let others know about your
> >>>>> intent to
> >>>>> >>> > > release
> >>>>> >>> > > > (include changelog)
> >>>>> >>> > > >          a. Wait for at least one +1
> >>>>> >>> > > >       2. Post a release announcement on the cordova blog
> (for
> >>>>> >>> feature
> >>>>> >>> > > > releases only)
> >>>>> >>> > > >         a. Steps for this exist in cordova-website's
> README.md
> >>>>> >>> > > >         b. Not necessary for patch releases, but feature
> >>>>> releases
> >>>>> >>> > should
> >>>>> >>> > > > mention significant bugs fixed by previous patch releases.
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Release process for major version:
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - Refer to platform release process.
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > cordova platforms, mobile-spec, cordova-js:
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Same as before (as documented on
> >>>>> >>> > > > http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CuttingReleases)
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - Except:
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - Platforms versions to use semver. This *does* mean
> that
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> >>> will
> >>>>> >>> > > > diverge from each other.
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - cordova-js and cordova-mobile-spec to use the
> "cadence
> >>>>> >>> version"
> >>>>> >>> > > > (first part of cordova-cli's version)
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - No longer update cordova-app-template
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - Blog post will include changelog for all changes
> since
> >>>>> >>> previous
> >>>>> >>> > > > platforms release.
> >>>>> >>> > > >     - JIRA issue should have a comment that lists the
> platform
> >>>>> >>> versions
> >>>>> >>> > > > that are referenced by the cadence version.
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > JIRA workflow:
> >>>>> >>> > > >   - When issues are closed, the "fixed version" should be
> set
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> >>> the
> >>>>> >>> > > > cadence version.
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > Andrew
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> >>>>> >>> agrieve@chromium.org>
> >>>>> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Michael Brooks <
> >>>>> >>> > > michael@michaelbrooks.ca
> >>>>> >>> > > > >wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > Plugins and CLI tools I think we should just ship
> >>>>> >>> continuously.
> >>>>> >>> > The
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > > Why do you think these should be shipped continuously
> >>>>> instead of
> >>>>> >>> on a
> >>>>> >>> > > > > regular cadence? Note that I think they should be as
> well,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> >>> I'm
> >>>>> >>> > > trying
> >>>>> >>> > > > > to figure out why the tools & plugins are different from
> the
> >>>>> >>> > platforms.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > only question that remains in the 'how' of that is
> >>>>> versioning.
> >>>>> >>> > Mike
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > Brookes has advocated semver schema here wherein we
> >>>>> version
> >>>>> >>> > > platforms
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > separately from the tools using a compound version
> >>>>> number. An
> >>>>> >>> > > example
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > of this might be 3.0.0-0.14.3 wherein 3.0.0 represents
> >>>>> our
> >>>>> >>> > platforms
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > while 0.14.3 represents the CLI tool itself.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> I only advocate semver for node modules and you can
> expect
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> >>> I'll
> >>>>> >>> > > be
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> pushing this on cordova-cli soon. :)
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> Node modules use semver. Regardless of whether it's
> >>>>> effective or
> >>>>> >>> > not,
> >>>>> >>> > > > it's
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> what the community uses and as developers we should
> >>>>> attempt to
> >>>>> >>> > respect
> >>>>> >>> > > > and
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> adhere to it.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> However, Cordova uses a different type of versioning
> >>>>> scheme.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> The CLI tool needs to represent both of these versioning
> >>>>> >>> schemes.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> - The Cordova version is most important, because it
> >>>>> describe
> >>>>> >>> what
> >>>>> >>> > > > version
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> of Cordova the CLI uses.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> - The node module version is important to modules
> consuming
> >>>>> >>> > > cordova-cli.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> You have no idea how frustrating cordova-cli's current
> >>>>> >>> versioning is
> >>>>> >>> > > wrt
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> to
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> the phonegap-cli.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> This is why a version such as 3.0.0-0.10.4 works
> extremely
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>> >>> > It's
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> distributing version 3.0.0 of Cordova. The node module
> >>>>> itself is
> >>>>> >>> > > version
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> 0.10.4. It's also semantically valid in semver, so it's
> >>>>> >>> compatible
> >>>>> >>> > > with
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> npm.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> Michael
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> >>>>> >>> agrieve@chromium.org
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Brian LeRoux <
> >>>>> b@brian.io>
> >>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > I think keeping the cadence on the core platforms
> makes
> >>>>> >>> sense.
> >>>>> >>> > > That
> >>>>> >>> > > > is
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > where the bulk of logic lives, it is susceptible to
> 3rd
> >>>>> >>> party
> >>>>> >>> > > issues
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > like new iDEs and SDKs, and having that regular
> >>>>> cadence in
> >>>>> >>> > > lockstep
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > makes issue tracking easier to discuss with the
> >>>>> community.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > > I agree that keeping the number of different version
> >>>>> numbers to a
> >>>>> >>> > > minimum
> >>>>> >>> > > > > makes things easier to track.
> >>>>> >>> > > > > I don't really follow your logic about IDEs and SDKs...
> This
> >>>>> >>> would be
> >>>>> >>> > > an
> >>>>> >>> > > > > argument to *not* synchronize releases I think, since
> >>>>> >>> > iOS/Android/WP/BB
> >>>>> >>> > > > do
> >>>>> >>> > > > > not synchronize their SDK releases :P
> >>>>> >>> > > > > I don't think we can apply the cadence argument to
> >>>>> platforms,
> >>>>> >>> but not
> >>>>> >>> > > to
> >>>>> >>> > > > > tools & plugins. Why would platforms be different in this
> >>>>> >>> respect?
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >  > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > Plugins and CLI tools I think we should just ship
> >>>>> >>> continuously.
> >>>>> >>> > > The
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > only question that remains in the 'how' of that is
> >>>>> >>> versioning.
> >>>>> >>> > > Mike
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > Brookes has advocated semver schema here wherein we
> >>>>> version
> >>>>> >>> > > > platforms
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > separately from the tools using a compound version
> >>>>> number.
> >>>>> >>> An
> >>>>> >>> > > > example
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > of this might be 3.0.0-0.14.3 wherein 3.0.0
> represents
> >>>>> our
> >>>>> >>> > > platforms
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > while 0.14.3 represents the CLI tool itself.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > I am not a fan of semver as that it is almost wholly
> >>>>> >>> conceptual
> >>>>> >>> > > and
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > thusly non-enforcable. It is a nice framework for
> >>>>> reasoning
> >>>>> >>> but
> >>>>> >>> > > ppl
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > ignore half of the rules devaluing its promise.
> Also,
> >>>>> it was
> >>>>> >>> > > > conceived
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > originally as a solution for globally installed
> >>>>> packages
> >>>>> >>> which
> >>>>> >>> > > isn't
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > really an issue in modern situations. That said,
> >>>>> having a
> >>>>> >>> > > versioning
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > scheme that exists, is well documented, and
> generally
> >>>>> >>> understood
> >>>>> >>> > > are
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > all positives for me. It would mean our deprec
> policy
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> >>> push
> >>>>> >>> > > the
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > version numbers up quickly (which is fine).
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > It is important to remember the reason for
> versioning,
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> >>> our
> >>>>> >>> > > case,
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > is issue tracking and resolution but as our
> ecosystem
> >>>>> grows
> >>>>> >>> it
> >>>>> >>> > > will
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > also play a very important role in dependency
> >>>>> management.
> >>>>> >>> > > Especially
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > between plugins. More discreet versions: the better.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > > With the latest <engine> tag work being done (
> >>>>> >>> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-4490),
> platforms
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> >>> well as
> >>>>> >>> > > > > plugins will be checked using semver. These checks will
> >>>>> likely
> >>>>> >>> work
> >>>>> >>> > > > better
> >>>>> >>> > > > > if we try and follow semver. AFAICT, we mostly do already
> >>>>> follow
> >>>>> >>> it,
> >>>>> >>> > > with
> >>>>> >>> > > > > the exception of our deprecation policy.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > (Andrew I think you should start a separate thread
> >>>>> about
> >>>>> >>> killing
> >>>>> >>> > > off
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > cordova-js and moving into platforms for loading now
> >>>>> that we
> >>>>> >>> > have
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > mostly removed the plugins. I am very much in
> favor!)
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > Yeah, I regretted this almost immediately. Since this
> >>>>> thread
> >>>>> >>> is
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> focusing on
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > the platforms, I'll do just that!
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> >>>>> >>> > > agrieve@chromium.org
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > wrote:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Want to have this as a discussion starter.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > We've previously established that:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > 1. Releases for plugman & CLI will not be tied to
> >>>>> platform
> >>>>> >>> > > > releases
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > 2. Releases to plugins will not be tied to
> platform
> >>>>> >>> releases
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > That's not to say we shouldn't sometime
> co-ordinate
> >>>>> them
> >>>>> >>> with
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> platform
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > releases, but I think there would need to be a
> >>>>> compelling
> >>>>> >>> > reason
> >>>>> >>> > > > to
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > couple
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > them.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > I'm wondering if it makes sense to not tie
> platform
> >>>>> >>> releases
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> together
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > either? E.g. Allow an update to cordova-ios
> >>>>> separately
> >>>>> >>> from
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > cordova-blackberry10.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Possible Advantages:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >   - Releases will (hopefully) occur more
> frequently.
> >>>>> Don't
> >>>>> >>> > need
> >>>>> >>> > > to
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> wait
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > for
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > synchronization with other platforms to do a
> release.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Possible Disadvantages:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >   - Might make for too many releases & spam our
> >>>>> users with
> >>>>> >>> > > release
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > notes
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > too often
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >   - Might make us lazy and release platforms too
> >>>>> >>> infrequently
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >   - Might make version numbers for platforms not
> >>>>> >>> correspond
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> date-wise
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > with
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > version numbers of other platforms (e.g. 3.1 ios
> !=
> >>>>> 3.1
> >>>>> >>> > android)
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Other considerations:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >   cordova-js is a common piece here. Perhaps that
> >>>>> could be
> >>>>> >>> > > pulled
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> out
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > as
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > well?
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Option 1: Bundle the exec bridge, platform
> bootstrap
> >>>>> &
> >>>>> >>> plugin
> >>>>> >>> > > > loader
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > with
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > the platform, and have the rest available as a
> >>>>> plugin.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > Option 2: Bundle exec bridge + platform bootstrap
> >>>>> with the
> >>>>> >>> > > > platform,
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > bundle
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > the plugin loader with plugman, put the rest in a
> >>>>> plugin
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > For reference, the only non-exec-bridge / start-up
> >>>>> code I
> >>>>> >>> can
> >>>>> >>> > > see
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> is:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./cordova.js   <--- hooks addEventListener + has
> exec
> >>>>> >>> bridge
> >>>>> >>> > > logic
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/argscheck.js   <--- strictly a helper for
> >>>>> plugins
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/base64.js   <--- exec bridge depends on
> this
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/builder.js  <--- should be folded into
> >>>>> >>> > modulemapper.js
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/channel.js  <--- start-up code needs this
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/init.js  <--- start-up code
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/modulemapper.js  <--- start-up code
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/pluginloader.js  <--- loads plugins on
> >>>>> start-up
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/urlutil.js   <--- recently added helper
> for
> >>>>> >>> plugins
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./common/utils.js   <--- mostly misc stuff that
> may
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> >>> mostly
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> unused?
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > There's also:
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > ./windows8/windows8/commandProxy.js
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > which I assume is exec bridge releated.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > I think that argscheck & urlutil would be
> >>>>> well-suited as
> >>>>> >>> > > > stand-alone
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > > > plugins that other plugins depend on.
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >> >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >>
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > > >
> >>>>> >>> > > >
> >>>>> >>> > >
> >>>>> >>> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
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