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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:18:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: node.js all the script things
From: Benn Mapes <benn.mapes@gmail.com>
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+1 to this thread.

I say we work on BB/Android first but it would be nice to have all the
tooling eventually in node (for consistency/maintainability). For the
windows tooling, it's mostly in JScript at the moment anyways so the code
could pretty much stay the same by just updating a few of the basic
functions such as logging, exec, and read/write.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com>wrote:

> this conversation has been continuing on and offline around the
> watercooler.
>
> +1 for Jesse's concern.
>
> There is absolutely no value in throwing out working bat scripts and
> rewriting them in node. It's makework.
>
> For BB10, the scripts were written in node in the first place, and bash/bat
> scripts invoke the node scripts. The inverse would be fine for WP7/8. Node
> alias invokes bat script.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, I have not yet seen it, sounds sweet, and I applaud your commitment.
> > The comment was based on historical data; I am still optimistic for the
> > future.
> > You will of course need to upgrade/downgrade to Windows 8 to develop/test
> > for Windows 8, or Windows Phone 8.
> >
> > @purplecabbage
> > risingj.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I resent that comment about lack of Windows testing! Have you seen my
> > > sweet swivel-monitor laptop that I have Windows 7 on?
> > >
> > > On 8/7/13 12:11 PM, "Jesse" <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, given that only Benn, and myself have contributed to the windows
> > 8,
> > > >and windows phone platform scripts, and no one else even seems willing
> > to
> > > >test the windows phone platform, it seems unfair to suggest we throw
> > away
> > > >working code, and rewrite it just for fun.
> > > >
> > > >Having a dependency on node is not a big deal, it is the 30+ other npm
> > > >libraries that always seem to come along, each with varying support
> for
> > > >windows, that I have issues with.
> > > >
> > > >I will consider writing you a node callable facade, that still calls
> the
> > > >.bat and wsh files behind the scenes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >@purplecabbage
> > > >risingj.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Steven Gill <stevengill97@gmail.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> To install any plugins you at least need plugman which requires
> node.
> > > >>Our
> > > >> users are most likely going to have to install node as a dependency
> at
> > > >>some
> > > >> point. I don't see why having it as a dependency for platform
> > libraries
> > > >>is
> > > >> such a big deal.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:34 AM, M. Lantz <mattlantz@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > +1
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Agreed I pretty much only use Cordova cli at this stage to make
> apps
> > > >>and
> > > >> > as such don't have any issues keeping my node up to date or
> relying
> > > >>on is
> > > >> > as a dependency.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > M. Lantz
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 2013-08-07, at 1:07 PM, Frank Hennig <
> fhe.development@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > +1 for all platforms
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I think it's not really an completely new dependency. Some
> > > >>components
> > > >> > actually depends on node.js like cordova-cli and plugman. Many
> > > >>developers
> > > >> > of cordova app's actually using grunt or bower and other node
> > related
> > > >> stuff
> > > >> > to lint or to test their html and js code.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A consistent tool and script language it's easier to maintain an
> > to
> > > >> > debug.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:14 AM, Filip Maj wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> I would like to introduce node.js as a dependency for the
> > platform
> > > >> > >> libraries, so that the platform scripts (bin/create,
> cordova/run,
> > > >>etc)
> > > >> > are
> > > >> > >> written in node.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Pros:
> > > >> > >> - For multi-OS platforms (Android, BlackBerry), this reduces
> > > >>committer
> > > >> > >> cognitive load as the scripts do not need to be authored in two
> > > >> > different
> > > >> > >> script languages (I.e. Shell for unix-y Oses, Wscript for
> > Windows)
> > > >> > >> - consistency in tool/script language. Cordova-js, coho, cli
> and
> > > >> plugman
> > > >> > >> are all written on top of node.js.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Cons:
> > > >> > >> - Introducing a new dependency
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> NB: This is separate from platform-spec; I would like to see
> > > >> > platform-spec
> > > >> > >> created/used regardless of the outcome of this thread.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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