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From Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org>
Subject Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project
Date Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:29:43 GMT
My bad, sorry for the mixup.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:

> Indeed you did. I was responding to Michal.
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Brian, The discussion is in the mailing list as I mentioned, we can
> > continue there.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place for discussion!
> >> The issue tracker is where stuff thats been agreed upon should happen.
> >> That said, I think we agree we'd like a path for project generation.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >> > Agree with Shaz, most of these thoughts already addressed in that bug.
> >> >  Please add further opinions about specifics there.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Might be worth chiming in on the CB-4153 thread on this ML ("app"
> folder
> >> >> concept)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In an earlier incarnation of Cordova the CLI had a a --recipe
flag.
> >> That
> >> >> > could be modified to accept a path or a Git repo. This would retain
> >> the
> >> >> > existing and fulfill Ray's use case.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thoughts?
> >> >> > On Jul 12, 2013 7:34 AM, "Lucas Holmquist" <lholmqui@redhat.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > +1 to keeping the default template,  but the ability to change
> it if
> >> >> you
> >> >> > > want to
> >> >> > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Carlos I think that is essentially what others have
proposed
> here
> >> -
> >> >> > > specify
> >> >> > > > a template to use.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Personally I like the default project to still be the
default,
> if
> >> >> only
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > > the majority of our users who are not more experienced
> >> programmers.
> >> >> > More
> >> >> > > > experienced programmers will not be put off by specifying
a
> >> template
> >> >> > > option
> >> >> > > > for a blank template, IMO (but for less experienced
people, I
> >> contend
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > > the reverse).
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > While helping users troubleshoot in the Google Groups,
or
> >> >> investigating
> >> >> > > > bugs in JIRA, I often tell a user to create a new project
(thus
> >> using
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > > default template) and isolate their bug there, so we
have a
> common
> >> >> base
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > > verify and test bugs.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
> >> >> csantana23@gmail.com
> >> >> > > >wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> can it be an option to the cordova cli?
> >> >> > > >> cordova create [--noHelloApp]
> >> >> > > >> or
> >> >> > > >> cordova create [--blankIndexHTML]
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> You get the point
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> I vote for default to have defaultApp included.
> >> >> > > >> It provides gratification of every "Hello World"
gives when
> >> starting
> >> >> > > with
> >> >> > > >> something new.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Michael Jackson
<
> >> >> > mjijackson@gmail.com
> >> >> > > >>> wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> I really like the default app. As a brand new
cordova dev it
> >> helped
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > > >>> understand how to get started with it.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> --
> >> >> > > >>> Michael Jackson
> >> >> > > >>> @mjackson
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Ray Camden
<
> >> raycamde@adobe.com>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>> I can add this as a Jira item if it makes
sense, but, what
> do
> >> >> folks
> >> >> > > >> think
> >> >> > > >>>> about the following:
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> I'd like to propose that the 'default' PG
app created by the
> >> CLI
> >> >> be
> >> >> > > >>>> changed. Right now it is cool. Looks neat.
But is completely
> >> >> > > >> unnecessary
> >> >> > > >>>> after you've after learned how to use PG.
It's a great
> example
> >> for
> >> >> > > >> folks
> >> >> > > >>>> learning PG, but for those of us who know
and just want to
> get
> >> >> > started
> >> >> > > >>>> quickly, it actually takes me more time
to *remove* the
> HTML,
> >> CSS,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > > >> JS
> >> >> > > >>>> used in the default then it does to create
a new project.
> Not
> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> > > >> over
> >> >> > > >>>> dramatic, but it really is the worst part
of the process for
> >> me.
> >> >> > Then
> >> >> > > >>>> again, I tend to make quite a few POCs with
the CLI so this
> >> issue
> >> >> > hits
> >> >> > > >> me
> >> >> > > >>>> more often than normal probably.
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> I know the CLI is just copying a template
(I've blogged on
> this
> >> >> > > >> before),
> >> >> > > >>>> but shouldn't the default be something better
for
> developers?
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> --
> >> >> > > >> Carlos Santana
> >> >> > > >> <csantana23@gmail.com>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
>

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