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From Brian LeRoux...@brian.io>
Subject Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project
Date Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:45:22 GMT
Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place for discussion!
The issue tracker is where stuff thats been agreed upon should happen.
That said, I think we agree we'd like a path for project generation.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org> wrote:
> Agree with Shaz, most of these thoughts already addressed in that bug.
>  Please add further opinions about specifics there.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Might be worth chiming in on the CB-4153 thread on this ML ("app" folder
>> concept)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>> > In an earlier incarnation of Cordova the CLI had a a --recipe flag. That
>> > could be modified to accept a path or a Git repo. This would retain the
>> > existing and fulfill Ray's use case.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> > On Jul 12, 2013 7:34 AM, "Lucas Holmquist" <lholmqui@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 to keeping the default template,  but the ability to change it if
>> you
>> > > want to
>> > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Carlos I think that is essentially what others have proposed here
-
>> > > specify
>> > > > a template to use.
>> > > >
>> > > > Personally I like the default project to still be the default, if
>> only
>> > > for
>> > > > the majority of our users who are not more experienced programmers.
>> > More
>> > > > experienced programmers will not be put off by specifying a template
>> > > option
>> > > > for a blank template, IMO (but for less experienced people, I contend
>> > it
>> > > is
>> > > > the reverse).
>> > > >
>> > > > While helping users troubleshoot in the Google Groups, or
>> investigating
>> > > > bugs in JIRA, I often tell a user to create a new project (thus using
>> > the
>> > > > default template) and isolate their bug there, so we have a common
>> base
>> > > to
>> > > > verify and test bugs.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
>> csantana23@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> can it be an option to the cordova cli?
>> > > >> cordova create [--noHelloApp]
>> > > >> or
>> > > >> cordova create [--blankIndexHTML]
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You get the point
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I vote for default to have defaultApp included.
>> > > >> It provides gratification of every "Hello World" gives when starting
>> > > with
>> > > >> something new.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Michael Jackson <
>> > mjijackson@gmail.com
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> I really like the default app. As a brand new cordova dev
it helped
>> > me
>> > > >>> understand how to get started with it.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --
>> > > >>> Michael Jackson
>> > > >>> @mjackson
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Ray Camden <raycamde@adobe.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> I can add this as a Jira item if it makes sense, but,
what do
>> folks
>> > > >> think
>> > > >>>> about the following:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I'd like to propose that the 'default' PG app created
by the CLI
>> be
>> > > >>>> changed. Right now it is cool. Looks neat. But is completely
>> > > >> unnecessary
>> > > >>>> after you've after learned how to use PG. It's a great
example for
>> > > >> folks
>> > > >>>> learning PG, but for those of us who know and just want
to get
>> > started
>> > > >>>> quickly, it actually takes me more time to *remove* the
HTML, CSS,
>> > and
>> > > >> JS
>> > > >>>> used in the default then it does to create a new project.
Not to
>> be
>> > > >> over
>> > > >>>> dramatic, but it really is the worst part of the process
for me.
>> > Then
>> > > >>>> again, I tend to make quite a few POCs with the CLI so
this issue
>> > hits
>> > > >> me
>> > > >>>> more often than normal probably.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I know the CLI is just copying a template (I've blogged
on this
>> > > >> before),
>> > > >>>> but shouldn't the default be something better for developers?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Carlos Santana
>> > > >> <csantana23@gmail.com>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>

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