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From Brian LeRoux...@brian.io>
Subject Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project
Date Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:01:22 GMT
Indeed you did. I was responding to Michal.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian, The discussion is in the mailing list as I mentioned, we can
> continue there.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>
>> Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place for discussion!
>> The issue tracker is where stuff thats been agreed upon should happen.
>> That said, I think we agree we'd like a path for project generation.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org> wrote:
>> > Agree with Shaz, most of these thoughts already addressed in that bug.
>> >  Please add further opinions about specifics there.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Might be worth chiming in on the CB-4153 thread on this ML ("app" folder
>> >> concept)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In an earlier incarnation of Cordova the CLI had a a --recipe flag.
>> That
>> >> > could be modified to accept a path or a Git repo. This would retain
>> the
>> >> > existing and fulfill Ray's use case.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thoughts?
>> >> > On Jul 12, 2013 7:34 AM, "Lucas Holmquist" <lholmqui@redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > +1 to keeping the default template,  but the ability to change
it if
>> >> you
>> >> > > want to
>> >> > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Carlos I think that is essentially what others have proposed
here
>> -
>> >> > > specify
>> >> > > > a template to use.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Personally I like the default project to still be the default,
if
>> >> only
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > > the majority of our users who are not more experienced
>> programmers.
>> >> > More
>> >> > > > experienced programmers will not be put off by specifying
a
>> template
>> >> > > option
>> >> > > > for a blank template, IMO (but for less experienced people,
I
>> contend
>> >> > it
>> >> > > is
>> >> > > > the reverse).
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > While helping users troubleshoot in the Google Groups, or
>> >> investigating
>> >> > > > bugs in JIRA, I often tell a user to create a new project
(thus
>> using
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > default template) and isolate their bug there, so we have
a common
>> >> base
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > > verify and test bugs.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Carlos Santana <
>> >> csantana23@gmail.com
>> >> > > >wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> can it be an option to the cordova cli?
>> >> > > >> cordova create [--noHelloApp]
>> >> > > >> or
>> >> > > >> cordova create [--blankIndexHTML]
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> You get the point
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I vote for default to have defaultApp included.
>> >> > > >> It provides gratification of every "Hello World" gives
when
>> starting
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > >> something new.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Michael Jackson <
>> >> > mjijackson@gmail.com
>> >> > > >>> wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>> I really like the default app. As a brand new cordova
dev it
>> helped
>> >> > me
>> >> > > >>> understand how to get started with it.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> --
>> >> > > >>> Michael Jackson
>> >> > > >>> @mjackson
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Ray Camden <
>> raycamde@adobe.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>> I can add this as a Jira item if it makes sense,
but, what do
>> >> folks
>> >> > > >> think
>> >> > > >>>> about the following:
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> I'd like to propose that the 'default' PG app
created by the
>> CLI
>> >> be
>> >> > > >>>> changed. Right now it is cool. Looks neat. But
is completely
>> >> > > >> unnecessary
>> >> > > >>>> after you've after learned how to use PG. It's
a great example
>> for
>> >> > > >> folks
>> >> > > >>>> learning PG, but for those of us who know and
just want to get
>> >> > started
>> >> > > >>>> quickly, it actually takes me more time to *remove*
the HTML,
>> CSS,
>> >> > and
>> >> > > >> JS
>> >> > > >>>> used in the default then it does to create a
new project. Not
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> > > >> over
>> >> > > >>>> dramatic, but it really is the worst part of
the process for
>> me.
>> >> > Then
>> >> > > >>>> again, I tend to make quite a few POCs with the
CLI so this
>> issue
>> >> > hits
>> >> > > >> me
>> >> > > >>>> more often than normal probably.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> I know the CLI is just copying a template (I've
blogged on this
>> >> > > >> before),
>> >> > > >>>> but shouldn't the default be something better
for developers?
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> Carlos Santana
>> >> > > >> <csantana23@gmail.com>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>

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