Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DDDAD341 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84399 invoked by uid 500); 23 May 2013 20:04:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 84328 invoked by uid 500); 23 May 2013 20:04:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 84320 invoked by uid 99); 23 May 2013 20:04:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:04:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of benn.mapes@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.53] (HELO mail-pb0-f53.google.com) (209.85.160.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 20:04:02 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id un4so3332375pbc.12 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KtF61Qicc1ZLH0/VGFqRKR2VgwJymc5erYCVk2ac7js=; b=SoHoyKXBLPsElZtDc4knJsmxJ4tyNMhZefqQIQlbQAAbuxmbImKdSjIt7/3XATsDT9 CdUiBG+HDrTtbo2YweCFGpNI8FRmuLVIWN9/bCsjZPJYZcuNeJBeD6iqoSajnm1nn7fN 1Xjkx1mThBue1E9PKECDzQIr5ItjgPFa0+mH+vakqLshd523s8s8kmaxTicbJilkyBSj Hk5RnOZoLplY5meqIKo+fJZlb2WlmB8LAiUronwIRaO0E5rUJfwp/v9CY6IX0oE0h+B7 let8WWhBnuJgd71TJYFMyDT3NNQP5+I6ZX3gYG8vXLJscEiSk9QPMjJ6GwsHiSKvyxXY wwpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.162.163 with SMTP id yb3mr14289749pbb.212.1369339421112; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.3.227 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 2.8.0rc1 From: Benn Mapes To: dev@cordova.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86f748c5c21f04dd682d44 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --047d7b86f748c5c21f04dd682d44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *guilty face* On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Steven Gill wrote: > Damn Botson fans > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Filip Maj wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > > > > Can folk hold off on committing to cordova-cli until Braden sorts out the > > branch merging? > > > > IM LOOKING AT YOU, BENN! > > > > ;) > > > > On 5/23/13 11:15 AM, "Jesse" wrote: > > > > >I agree. > > > > > >@purplecabbage > > >risingj.com > > > > > > > > >On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Andrew Grieve > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Given that our goal was to cut Tuesday, I think we should just stick > > >>with > > >> the current code for now. I don't think there's any real reason to > > >>change > > >> this code at the last second. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Braden Shepherdson < > > braden@chromium.org > > >> >wrote: > > >> > > >> > I just merged the git_refs changes. They shouldn't affect anything > > >>else. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Filip Maj wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > SORRY false alarm: not true. Not merged into plugman yet. On a > > >>branch. > > >> > > > > >> > > On 5/23/13 10:28 AM, "Jesse" wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > >So are we going with the tagged version? > > >> > > >Should I push off the plugin-loader changes until 2.9.0? > > >> > > > > > >> > > >@purplecabbage > > >> > > >risingj.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Steven Gill > > >> > > >wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Sweet. I will have to take a look at these new changes to coho > > >>later > > >> > > >>today. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Andrew Grieve < > > >> agrieve@chromium.org> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Okay, had to fix some things in the coho script (which I will > > >>push > > >> > > >> > tomorrow). > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > Parent bug is here: > > >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3464 > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Andrew Grieve < > > >> > agrieve@chromium.org> > > >> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Awesome stuff! Getting cutting now. > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jesse > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> Fixed CB-3307 for WP7, WP8, and Windows 8; > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> @purplecabbage > > >> > > >> > >> risingj.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Shazron < > shazron@gmail.com > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > Fixed the OS X issue (CB-3443). > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Grieve < > > >> > > >> agrieve@chromium.org> > > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > LGTM so long as you've tested that the error even > > >>actually > > >> > > >>fires > > >> > > >> (I > > >> > > >> > >> know > > >> > > >> > >> > it > > >> > > >> > >> > > didn't use to on some older browsers). > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > The other thing still outstanding is > > >> > > >> > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3307 for WP, > > >>BB, > > >> > OSX. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > I suppose we could branch without that done, but it's > > >>such > > >> a > > >> > > >>small > > >> > > >> > >> > change, > > >> > > >> > >> > > it'd be great to get that fixed before tagging. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > This time around I'd like to try without using the > > >> automated > > >> > > >> script > > >> > > >> > >> that > > >> > > >> > >> > > creates issues since I think they capture only a small > > >> number > > >> > > >>of > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> > >> > steps, > > >> > > >> > >> > > and instead I'll create a master bug and one sub-bug > per > > >> > repo. > > >> > > >> Then, > > >> > > >> > >> > let's > > >> > > >> > >> > > follow the updated wiki steps as best as possible: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CuttingReleases > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > and just keep adding comments to the JIRA bugs > whenever > > >> > someone > > >> > > >> does > > >> > > >> > >> any > > >> > > >> > >> > of > > >> > > >> > >> > > the steps. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > I'm out to a movie tonight, but will be back 9ish EST. > > >>I'll > > >> > > >>look > > >> > > >> to > > >> > > >> > >> > branch > > >> > > >> > >> > > & tag then. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Jesse > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > I am satisfied with the added error checking. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Please review the changes to plugin loading [1] > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > If possible I would like this in 2.8.0rc1, but > perhaps > > >> more > > >> > > >> > >> > importantly, > > >> > > >> > >> > > we > > >> > > >> > >> > > > should do 2.8.0rc1 today. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Cheers, > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Jesse > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > [1] > > >>https://github.com/purplecabbage/cordova-js/tree/PL > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > @purplecabbage > > >> > > >> > >> > > > risingj.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Jesse > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > the error checking I am adding/testing right now > is > > >> > > >>handling > > >> > > >> > >> onerror > > >> > > >> > >> > > > which > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > does fire when the file is missing. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > @purplecabbage > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > risingj.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Grieve < > > >> > > >> > >> agrieve@chromium.org > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> I like the change I think, but I think it will > > >>fail if > > >> > > >>users > > >> > > >> > are > > >> > > >> > >> > > missing > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> the cordova_plugins.js file (onload will never > > >>fire). > > >> On > > >> > > >>the > > >> > > >> > plus > > >> > > >> > >> > side > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> though, this change makes it easier to combine > > >> > cordova.js > > >> > > >>and > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> cordova_plugins.js by concatenating them > together. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> Maybe we should just go all the way with this and > > >> > combine > > >> > > >>the > > >> > > >> > two > > >> > > >> > >> > .js > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> files > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> into one right from the start? Then we won't have > > >>to > > >> > worry > > >> > > >> > about > > >> > > >> > >> > > loading > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> at > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> all. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Jesse < > > >> > > >> > purplecabbage@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > Sorry for jumping in late ... > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > On Friday Fil and I tested a workaround for > > >> > > >>plugin_loader's > > >> > > >> > >> use of > > >> > > >> > >> > > XHR > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> to > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > load plugins. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > The gist is that instead of XHR load, it would > > >>first > > >> > > >>write > > >> > > >> a > > >> > > >> > >> > script > > >> > > >> > >> > > > tag > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> for > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > the cordova_plugins.js file, which defines the > > >>list > > >> of > > >> > > >> > plugins > > >> > > >> > >> ( > > >> > > >> > >> > > much > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> the > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > same way that cordova_plugins.json was ) then > the > > >> > plugin > > >> > > >> list > > >> > > >> > >> was > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> processed > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > in exactly the same way. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > This change affects all cordova-js platforms as > > >>well > > >> > as > > >> > > >> > >> > > > cordova-plugman, > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > and I would like to get it into 2.8.0rc1 if I > can > > >> have > > >> > > >>the > > >> > > >> > next > > >> > > >> > >> > > couple > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > hours to do so. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > On Friday we verified that it worked as > expected > > >>for > > >> > > >>iOS, > > >> > > >> > >> Android, > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > BlackBerry, WP7 and WP8. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > The small change to cordova-js can be seen here > > >>[1] > > >> > > >>minus > > >> > > >> > some > > >> > > >> > >> > extra > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> error > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > checking. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > And the change to plugman [2] > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > [1] > > >> > https://github.com/purplecabbage/cordova-js/tree/PL > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > [2] > > >> https://github.com/apache/cordova-plugman/tree/pl > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > This fix puts in a better position for > > >>dynamically > > >> > > >>loading > > >> > > >> > >> plugins > > >> > > >> > >> > > > going > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > forward, although that work is ongoing in the > > >>3.0.0 > > >> > > >>branch. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > Just a little background on the issue: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > Currently Windows Phone 7 and 8 immediately > fail > > >>to > > >> > load > > >> > > >> > >> anything > > >> > > >> > >> > > > local > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> via > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > XHR because of a misinformed security policy > that > > >> > > >>prevents > > >> > > >> > it. > > >> > > >> > >> > > After > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > deviceready any local XHR requests are serviced > > >>by > > >> the > > >> > > >>File > > >> > > >> > API > > >> > > >> > >> > and > > >> > > >> > >> > > an > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> XHR > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > shim. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > @purplecabbage > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > risingj.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Bryan Higgins > < > > >> > > >> > >> > > > bhiggins@blackberry.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > Both of those BB10 issues have now been > > >>resolved. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bryan > Higgins > > >>< > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> bryan@bryanhiggins.net > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > There are a couple of BB10 related issues > I'd > > >> like > > >> > > >>to > > >> > > >> get > > >> > > >> > >> in: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3434 > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3415 > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > I should be able to complete both by EOD. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Michael > > >>Brooks > > >> < > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > michael@michaelbrooks.ca>wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > The one thing that I'd like to see > > >>finished > > >> up > > >> > is > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3307(Renaming > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> cordova.VERSION.js > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > -> cordova.js). It's done for iOS & > > >>Android, > > >> > but > > >> > > >> still > > >> > > >> > >> > needs > > >> > > >> > >> > > to > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> be > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > done > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> for > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > other platforms. I'll create sub-tasks > for > > >> them > > >> > > >>now. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> Good catch Andrew. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> I've also created tasks for updating the > > >>Hello > > >> > > >>World > > >> > > >> and > > >> > > >> > >> CLI > > >> > > >> > >> > as > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> well. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > I'll > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> try to have these finished by EOD. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Filip > Maj < > > >> > > >> > fil@adobe.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > Yes good call Andrew definitely need > that > > >> done > > >> > > >> across > > >> > > >> > >> > > platforms > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > before > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> we > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > ship another release. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > On 5/21/13 9:11 AM, "Andrew Grieve" < > > >> > > >> > >> agrieve@chromium.org> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >Checking back in to see if anyone has > > >> anything > > >> > > >> > they're > > >> > > >> > >> > > trying > > >> > > >> > >> > > > to > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > get > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > in > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >for > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >2.8. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >If no one has anything by the EOD, then > > >>I'll > > >> > > >>take > > >> > > >> > care > > >> > > >> > >> of > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > branching & > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >tagging & JIRA'ing this time around. > I've > > >> been > > >> > > >> adding > > >> > > >> > >> > > > branching > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> & > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> tagging > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >powers to coho, so want to test out the > > >> > changes > > >> > > >> this > > >> > > >> > >> > release > > >> > > >> > >> > > > :). > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >The one thing that I'd like to see > > >>finished > > >> up > > >> > > >>is > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3307(Renaming > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > cordova.VERSION.js > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >-> cordova.js). It's done for iOS & > > >>Android, > > >> > but > > >> > > >> > still > > >> > > >> > >> > needs > > >> > > >> > >> > > > to > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> be > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > done > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >for > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >other platforms. I'll create sub-tasks > > >>for > > >> > them > > >> > > >> now. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Steven > > >> Gill < > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > stevengill97@gmail.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> Sounds good to me. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM, > Filip > > >> Maj < > > >> > > >> > >> > fil@adobe.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > +1! > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > On 5/17/13 2:44 PM, "Jesse" < > > >> > > >> > >> purplecabbage@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >Monday is a holiday in Canada, so > I > > >> > > >>propose we > > >> > > >> > >> aim to > > >> > > >> > >> > > do > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> our > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > rc1 > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>ritual > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> on > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >Tuesday, May 14th > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >This still gives us a little time > to > > >> > close > > >> > > >>the > > >> > > >> > >> loop > > >> > > >> > >> > on > > >> > > >> > >> > > > any > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>outstanding > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >items, and lots of time to test. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >Thoughts? > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >@purplecabbage > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >risingj.com > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --047d7b86f748c5c21f04dd682d44--