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Subject: Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo
From: Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
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I haven't added the tickets yet.  Do we want to deprecate by 3.0 or
follow the six month deprecation policy?

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org> wrote=
:
> Joe - did you take any action here? JIRA issue? changing of min version?
> Does this mean we can remove apache commons jar?
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Simon MacDonald
> <simon.macdonald@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Late to the party but...
>>
>> +1 for dropping support for 2.2
>>
>> Simon Mac Donald
>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM, James Jong <wjamesjong@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>> > Deprecation in 2.7?
>> >
>> > -James Jong
>> >
>> > On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looks like we have consensus
>> >>
>> >> Joe is going to be happy :)
>> >>
>> >> On 4/15/13 10:24 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> +1 DROP!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> My Nexus One latest upgradeable OS is 2.3.6
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1 for dropping fwiw
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.c=
om
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> +1 for dropping
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Steve found a Nexus One in his filing cabinet last week, wonder wh=
at
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>> was running ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tommy-Carlos Williams
>> >>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org>wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hahahah...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It was on "Catch of the Day" (an Australian daily deals type site=
).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ideos X1 - Android 2.2
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 7:43 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Was this on Craigslist?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, tommy-carlos Williams
>> >>>>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> I saw a 2.2 device for sale the other day. I had a sad.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> +1 for dropping it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 6:11, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui@redhat.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On our AeroGear project, the lowest thing we support on androi=
d
>> >>>> is
>> >>>>>> 2.3,  so +1 for removing
>> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Lets give this a few days to make sure we're not about hurt
>> >>>> anyone.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> (I'm in favor of removing support.)
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Michael Wolf <
>> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fwiw I wasn't saying 2.3, but 2.2.  The consideration of
>> >>>> supporting
>> >>>>>> 2.3
>> >>>>>>>>>>> goes based on who your consumer base is, and if 2.3 is worth
>> >>>> it
>> >>>>> (had
>> >>>>>>>>>>> several customers recently where this is a serious
>> >>>> discussion).
>> >>>>>> Anywho=C5=A0
>> >>>>>>>>>>> loosing 2.2 I don't think would hurt the community greatly.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mw
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13 2:54 PM, "Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks we don't need 2.3 support needs to look a=
t
>> >>>> what
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> was considering purchasing for my US phone when on road
>> >>>> trips to
>> >>>>>> weird
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> places like Idaho:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prepay/getPhoneDetail.do?item=3Dprepa=
yIt
>> >>>> e
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> m&selectedPhoneId=3D6093&selectedPlanCatId=3D4997
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Michael Wolf <
>> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally we are pushing clients to not touch anything low=
er
>> >>>> than
>> >>>>>> 2.3
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (And
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having serious discussions about their need for 2.3
>> >>>> support).
>> >>>> So
>> >>>>>> from a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> cordova users perspective this wouldn't bother me.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mw
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13 2:10 PM, "Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android 2.2 is a pain point because we only have one
>> >>>> device in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver office that is on that version of Android (LG
>> >>>> Optimus
>> >>>>>> 3D).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that other places have more of them, but they ar=
e
>> >>>>>> becoming
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasingly rare, and I'd rather us only have to test 2.=
3
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>>> higher
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we prepare for a release.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Braden Shepherdson
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <braden@chromium.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have a picture of what this would gain us? What ar=
e
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>> pain
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms of bugs or missing APIs between 2.2 and 2.3? I
>> >>>> have
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>> vague
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that there are several things, but I actually
>> >>>> don't
>> >>>>>> know.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there are advantages, I'm all for it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braden
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> >>>> bowserj@gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good news everyone! Android 2.2 (Froyo) has dipped belo=
w
>> >>>> 5%.
>> >>>>>> This
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means that we can safely drop support for this version =
of
>> >>>>>> Android and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set our lower bound to Android 2.3.  The cool thing abo=
ut
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we will only support devices that you can actually buy
>> >>>> in a
>> >>>>>> store at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this point, which I think is something that we should a=
im
>> >>>>>> towards.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, if Key Lime Pie figured out a way to get 4.x
>> >>>>>> functionality
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on single-core devices, that'd be awesome, but I highly
>> >>>> doubt
>> >>>>>> it. :(
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what do people think about getting rid of Froyo
>> >>>> support?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>