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From: Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 16:55:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: App-Harness Description
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Shravan (our intern) has been started working on it late last week, and I
think he's hoping to commit a first version of it some time tomorrow.

Definitely would love help! More hands on this the better. Maybe let's wait
until Shravan reveals what he's got up his sleeves, and the figure out what
parts can be worked on in parallel. Sound good?


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com>wrote:

> Really psyched about this, Andrew! It's going to be a huge improvement for
> dev workflow! Are you taking all this on your own? Or are you looking for
> other contributors to help out?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Great! Thanks Lorin. I've responded to all comments in the doc. Those
> that
> > I didn't comment on, consider me a +1 :)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Awesome! I also dropped comments and questions into the google doc
> > > yesterday.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Michael Brooks <
> > michael@michaelbrooks.ca
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Andrew!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Fastest Yet! Repo is created:
> > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/cordova-app-harness.git
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Andrew Grieve <
> agrieve@chromium.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > INFRA ticket filed!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6103
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Fiiiiineee. +1 harness.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'll save WebKeg for another day!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 4/1/13 4:40 PM, "Lorin Beer" <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >while some truly excellent names have been suggested, I'll +1
> > > > harness.
> > > > > >> Fil
> > > > > >> >will just have to wait for a project named "WebKeg".
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Michael Brooks
> > > > > >> ><michael@michaelbrooks.ca>wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> You also get a Google app based on Cordova's Harness app.
> Open
> > > > > source!
> > > > > >> >>:)
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> The general consensus seems to be the name "Harness."
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Any complaints with...?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> - repository name: cordova-app-harness
> > > > > >> >> - discuss name: Cordova App Harness
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Michael
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Giorgio Natili <
> > > > > g.natili@gnstudio.com
> > > > > >> >> >wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Makes sense, it means we will get an Adobe app based upon
> the
> > > > > harness
> > > > > >> >> > one... Cool!
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > On 4/1/13 7:40 AM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >There should be no PhoneGap in the name.
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >There will be a PhoneGap app based on the Cordova code (as
> > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > >> >>with
> > > > > >> >> > >the distribution).
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >Make sense?
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >On Sunday, March 31, 2013, Giorgio Natili wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> I prefer cordova-harness too but right now cordova is
> less
> > > > known
> > > > > >> >>that
> > > > > >> >> > >> PhoneGap. Do you think that a name like
> > > > cordova-phonegap-harness
> > > > > >> >> should
> > > > > >> >> > >>be
> > > > > >> >> > >> too long?
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> Giorgio
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> On 3/29/13 1:40 AM, "Simon MacDonald" <
> > > > > simon.macdonald@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >I prefer cordova-harness to cordova-app myself.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >Simon Mac Donald
> > > > > >> >> > >> >http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Michal Mocny
> > > > > >> >><mmocny@chromium.org>
> > > > > >> >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> FWIW, I dont think thats a good idea.  Will likely
> lead
> > > to
> > > > > >> >> ambiguity
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> between "a cordova app" and "the cordova-app", not to
> > > > mention
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>googleability.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, but I don't have any awesome suggestions, but
> I
> > > > > thought
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> cordova-harness was fine.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> -Michal
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Brian LeRoux <
> > > b@brian.io>
> > > > > >> >>wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> cordova-app sounds good to me
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Grieve
> > > > > >> >> > >><agrieve@chromium.org>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > I don't think we need to decide on an App Store
> name
> > > > yet.
> > > > > >> >>Repo
> > > > > >> >> > >>name
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> sounds
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > good though.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Michael Brooks <
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> michael@michaelbrooks.ca>wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> Alright, I want to get this project started and
> we
> > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> >> settle
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>on a
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> name.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> No one has made a compelling argument against
> > calling
> > > > the
> > > > > >> >>app
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>"Cordova."
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> Proposed name:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> - App Store name: "Cordova"
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> - Repository name: "cordova-app"
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> Here are my reasons:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> 1. We naturally refer to it as "The Cordova App"
> in
> > > > > casual
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>discussion
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > We haven't though. Sounds quite ambiguous to me
> > since
> > > > > >> Cordova
> > > > > >> >> is a
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > framework for building apps. "The Cordova App" -->
> > > which
> > > > > >> >>Cordova
> > > > > >> >> > >>app?
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> 2. There are no plans for any other app, making
> > this
> > > > "The
> > > > > >> >> Cordova
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>App."
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > There already exist a bunch of similar apps by
> other
> > > > > people
> > > > > >> >>the.
> > > > > >> >> > >>E.g.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > "Cordova Browser"
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> 3. Most OS's limit the name length, so "Cordova
> > XXX"
> > > > will
> > > > > >> >> likely
> > > > > >> >> > >>be
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>too
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > Good point here. This is easy to test on iOS by
> > > creating
> > > > > >> >> > >>home-screen
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > bookmarks from safari. Couldn't get any of the
> > names I
> > > > > liked
> > > > > >> >>:(.
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> 4. All Cordova app examples (e.g. Hello World)
> are
> > > > > prefixed
> > > > > >> >>as
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> "cordova-app-xxx"
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > I think the name's fine, but wouldn't this be an
> > > > argument
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>>calling it
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> > "cordova-app-cordova" :P
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> Michael
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Benn Mapes
> > > > > >> >> > >><benn.mapes@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >>
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > +1 for WebKeg
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Brian LeRoux
> > > > > >> >><b@brian.io>
> > > > > >> >> > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > > omg. yes!
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > > cordova-webkeg
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > > I can see the Yohei style app icon already..
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > >> >>> >> > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Douglas
> > Campos
> > > > > <qmx@q
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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