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[58.168.140.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm1307607pbw.4.2013.04.10.14.16.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <8A753B40-5FE3-474D-A587-D7C522B30202@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <8A753B40-5FE3-474D-A587-D7C522B30202@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4A046D91-28F0-4CDF-B26C-D4C3218ACA10@devgeeks.org> Cc: "dev@cordova.apache.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: tommy-carlos Williams Subject: Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:16:39 +1000 To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHoHfVM3iff5ij5fgSFN6AaVa37rcCIHHGxNnTunnTxjziTXqWAWTAntaS6J+43L5Bz29E X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I saw a 2.2 device for sale the other day. I had a sad.=20 +1 for dropping it.=20 On 11/04/2013, at 6:11, Lucas Holmquist wrote: > On our AeroGear project, the lowest thing we support on android is 2.3, s= o +1 for removing > On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: >=20 >> Lets give this a few days to make sure we're not about hurt anyone. >>=20 >> (I'm in favor of removing support.) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Michael Wolf = wrote: >>=20 >>> Fwiw I wasn't saying 2.3, but 2.2. The consideration of supporting 2.3 >>> goes based on who your consumer base is, and if 2.3 is worth it (had >>> several customers recently where this is a serious discussion). Anywho=C5= =A0 >>> loosing 2.2 I don't think would hurt the community greatly. >>>=20 >>> mw >>>=20 >>> On 4/10/13 2:54 PM, "Joe Bowser" wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Anyone who thinks we don't need 2.3 support needs to look at what I >>>> was considering purchasing for my US phone when on road trips to weird >>>> places like Idaho: >>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prepay/getPhoneDetail.do?item=3Dprepa= yIte >>>> m&selectedPhoneId=3D6093&selectedPlanCatId=3D4997 >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Michael Wolf >>>> wrote: >>>>> Generally we are pushing clients to not touch anything lower than 2.3 >>>>> (And >>>>> having serious discussions about their need for 2.3 support). So from= a >>>>> cordova users perspective this wouldn't bother me. >>>>>=20 >>>>> mw >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 4/10/13 2:10 PM, "Joe Bowser" wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Android 2.2 is a pain point because we only have one device in the >>>>>> Vancouver office that is on that version of Android (LG Optimus 3D). >>>>>> I'm sure that other places have more of them, but they are becoming >>>>>> increasingly rare, and I'd rather us only have to test 2.3 and higher= >>>>>> when we prepare for a release. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Braden Shepherdson >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Do we have a picture of what this would gain us? What are the pain >>>>>>> points >>>>>>> in terms of bugs or missing APIs between 2.2 and 2.3? I have the vag= ue >>>>>>> impression that there are several things, but I actually don't know.= >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> If there are advantages, I'm all for it. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Braden >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Joe Bowser >>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Hey >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Good news everyone! Android 2.2 (Froyo) has dipped below 5%. This >>>>>>>> means that we can safely drop support for this version of Android a= nd >>>>>>>> set our lower bound to Android 2.3. The cool thing about this is >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> we will only support devices that you can actually buy in a store a= t >>>>>>>> this point, which I think is something that we should aim towards. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Honestly, if Key Lime Pie figured out a way to get 4.x functionalit= y >>>>>>>> on single-core devices, that'd be awesome, but I highly doubt it. := ( >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> So, what do people think about getting rid of Froyo support? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Joe >=20