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From Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org>
Subject Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo
Date Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:16:12 GMT
Last conversation had a bunch of +1:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cordova-dev/201303.mbox/%3CCAOBL_k73rUciYtjj-+9St-G8tSDUv_-C0cmzvc03bQb8B+wVBg@mail.gmail.com%3E

Unless someone is apposed, I say go ahead Joe.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:

> If it's official, we should announce it in a blog or something.  Are
> people cool with me writing a blog post about this and getting it on
> PhoneGap.com?
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> > I thought we switched to 3 release policy -- and planned to start in 2.7
> to
> > be done by 3.0?
> >
> > Or is that not official yet?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I haven't added the tickets yet.  Do we want to deprecate by 3.0 or
> >> follow the six month deprecation policy?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Joe - did you take any action here? JIRA issue? changing of min
> version?
> >> > Does this mean we can remove apache commons jar?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Simon MacDonald
> >> > <simon.macdonald@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Late to the party but...
> >> >>
> >> >> +1 for dropping support for 2.2
> >> >>
> >> >> Simon Mac Donald
> >> >> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM, James Jong <wjamesjong@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Deprecation in 2.7?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -James Jong
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Looks like we have consensus
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Joe is going to be happy :)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 4/15/13 10:24 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> +1 DROP!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> My Nexus One latest upgradeable OS is 2.3.6
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> +1 for dropping fwiw
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Lorin Beer <
> >> lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> +1 for dropping
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Steve found a Nexus One in his filing cabinet
last week, wonder
> >> what
> >> >> >>>> that
> >> >> >>>>> was running ...
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tommy-Carlos
Williams
> >> >> >>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org>wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Hahahah...
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> It was on "Catch of the Day" (an Australian
daily deals type
> >> site).
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Ideos X1 - Android 2.2
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 7:43 AM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Was this on Craigslist?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, tommy-carlos
Williams
> >> >> >>>>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I saw a 2.2 device for sale the other
day. I had a sad.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> +1 for dropping it.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 6:11, Lucas Holmquist
<
> lholmqui@redhat.com>
> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On our AeroGear project, the lowest
thing we support on
> >> android
> >> >> >>>> is
> >> >> >>>>>> 2.3,  so +1 for removing
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Brian
LeRoux <b@brian.io>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lets give this a few days
to make sure we're not about
> hurt
> >> >> >>>> anyone.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (I'm in favor of removing
support.)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:03
PM, Michael Wolf <
> >> >> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fwiw I wasn't saying 2.3,
but 2.2.  The consideration of
> >> >> >>>> supporting
> >> >> >>>>>> 2.3
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> goes based on who your
consumer base is, and if 2.3 is
> worth
> >> >> >>>> it
> >> >> >>>>> (had
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> several customers recently
where this is a serious
> >> >> >>>> discussion).
> >> >> >>>>>> AnywhoÅ 
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> loosing 2.2 I don't think
would hurt the community
> greatly.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> mw
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13 2:54 PM, "Joe
Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks
we don't need 2.3 support needs to
> look
> >> at
> >> >> >>>> what
> >> >> >>>>> I
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> was considering purchasing
for my US phone when on road
> >> >> >>>> trips to
> >> >> >>>>>> weird
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> places like Idaho:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prepay/getPhoneDetail.do?item=prepayIt
> >> >> >>>> e
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> m&selectedPhoneId=6093&selectedPlanCatId=4997
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013
at 11:51 AM, Michael Wolf <
> >> >> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally we are
pushing clients to not touch anything
> >> lower
> >> >> >>>> than
> >> >> >>>>>> 2.3
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (And
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having serious
discussions about their need for 2.3
> >> >> >>>> support).
> >> >> >>>> So
> >> >> >>>>>> from a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> cordova users
perspective this wouldn't bother me.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mw
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13 2:10
PM, "Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android 2.2
is a pain point because we only have one
> >> >> >>>> device in
> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver
office that is on that version of Android
> (LG
> >> >> >>>> Optimus
> >> >> >>>>>> 3D).
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that
other places have more of them, but they
> >> are
> >> >> >>>>>> becoming
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasingly
rare, and I'd rather us only have to test
> >> 2.3
> >> >> >>>> and
> >> >> >>>>>> higher
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we prepare
for a release.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr
10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Braden Shepherdson
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <braden@chromium.org>
wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we
have a picture of what this would gain us? What
> >> are
> >> >> >>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>> pain
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in terms
of bugs or missing APIs between 2.2 and
> 2.3? I
> >> >> >>>> have
> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>> vague
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression
that there are several things, but I
> actually
> >> >> >>>> don't
> >> >> >>>>>> know.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there
are advantages, I'm all for it.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braden
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Apr 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Joe Bowser <
> >> >> >>>> bowserj@gmail.com
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good
news everyone! Android 2.2 (Froyo) has dipped
> >> below
> >> >> >>>> 5%.
> >> >> >>>>>> This
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means
that we can safely drop support for this
> version
> >> of
> >> >> >>>>>> Android and
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
our lower bound to Android 2.3.  The cool thing
> >> about
> >> >> >>>> this
> >> >> >>>>>> is
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
will only support devices that you can actually
> buy
> >> >> >>>> in a
> >> >> >>>>>> store at
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
point, which I think is something that we
> should
> >> aim
> >> >> >>>>>> towards.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly,
if Key Lime Pie figured out a way to get
> 4.x
> >> >> >>>>>> functionality
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
single-core devices, that'd be awesome, but I
> highly
> >> >> >>>> doubt
> >> >> >>>>>> it. :(
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So,
what do people think about getting rid of Froyo
> >> >> >>>> support?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
>

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