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From Lorin Beer <lorin.beer....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo
Date Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:18:20 GMT
- list warning +1
- follow 3-release deprecation policy on this +1
- Joe's blog post on deprecation +1

we announce before or as 2.7.0 hits, removal happens in 3.0


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Simon MacDonald <simon.macdonald@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Do it. +1
> On Apr 26, 2013 1:09 PM, "Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If it's official, we should announce it in a blog or something.  Are
> > people cool with me writing a blog post about this and getting it on
> > PhoneGap.com?
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> > wrote:
> > > I thought we switched to 3 release policy -- and planned to start in
> 2.7
> > to
> > > be done by 3.0?
> > >
> > > Or is that not official yet?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I haven't added the tickets yet.  Do we want to deprecate by 3.0 or
> > >> follow the six month deprecation policy?
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Joe - did you take any action here? JIRA issue? changing of min
> > version?
> > >> > Does this mean we can remove apache commons jar?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Simon MacDonald
> > >> > <simon.macdonald@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Late to the party but...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> +1 for dropping support for 2.2
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Simon Mac Donald
> > >> >> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM, James Jong <wjamesjong@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> > Deprecation in 2.7?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > -James Jong
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Looks like we have consensus
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Joe is going to be happy :)
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On 4/15/13 10:24 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>> +1 DROP!
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>> My Nexus One latest upgradeable OS is 2.3.6
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> +1 for dropping fwiw
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Lorin Beer <
> > >> lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> > >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>> +1 for dropping
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>> Steve found a Nexus One in his filing cabinet
last week,
> wonder
> > >> what
> > >> >> >>>> that
> > >> >> >>>>> was running ...
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Tommy-Carlos
Williams
> > >> >> >>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org>wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>> Hahahah...
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>> It was on "Catch of the Day" (an Australian
daily deals type
> > >> site).
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>> Ideos X1 - Android 2.2
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 7:43 AM, Joe Bowser
<bowserj@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>> Was this on Craigslist?
> > >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM,
tommy-carlos Williams
> > >> >> >>>>>>> <tommy@devgeeks.org> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> I saw a 2.2 device for sale the
other day. I had a sad.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> +1 for dropping it.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>> On 11/04/2013, at 6:11, Lucas
Holmquist <
> > lholmqui@redhat.com>
> > >> >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On our AeroGear project,
the lowest thing we support on
> > >> android
> > >> >> >>>> is
> > >> >> >>>>>> 2.3,  so +1 for removing
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:47
PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lets give this a few
days to make sure we're not about
> > hurt
> > >> >> >>>> anyone.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (I'm in favor of removing
support.)
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013
at 12:03 PM, Michael Wolf <
> > >> >> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fwiw I wasn't saying
2.3, but 2.2.  The consideration
> of
> > >> >> >>>> supporting
> > >> >> >>>>>> 2.3
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> goes based on who
your consumer base is, and if 2.3 is
> > worth
> > >> >> >>>> it
> > >> >> >>>>> (had
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> several customers
recently where this is a serious
> > >> >> >>>> discussion).
> > >> >> >>>>>> AnywhoÅ 
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> loosing 2.2 I don't
think would hurt the community
> > greatly.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> mw
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13 2:54 PM,
"Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who thinks
we don't need 2.3 support needs to
> > look
> > >> at
> > >> >> >>>> what
> > >> >> >>>>> I
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> was considering
purchasing for my US phone when on
> road
> > >> >> >>>> trips to
> > >> >> >>>>>> weird
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> places like Idaho:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/prepay/getPhoneDetail.do?item=prepayIt
> > >> >> >>>> e
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> m&selectedPhoneId=6093&selectedPlanCatId=4997
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 10,
2013 at 11:51 AM, Michael Wolf <
> > >> >> >>>>>> Michael.Wolf@cynergy.com>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally
we are pushing clients to not touch
> anything
> > >> lower
> > >> >> >>>> than
> > >> >> >>>>>> 2.3
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (And
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having serious
discussions about their need for 2.3
> > >> >> >>>> support).
> > >> >> >>>> So
> > >> >> >>>>>> from a
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> cordova users
perspective this wouldn't bother me.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mw
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/10/13
2:10 PM, "Joe Bowser" <bowserj@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android
2.2 is a pain point because we only have one
> > >> >> >>>> device in
> > >> >> >>>>> the
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver
office that is on that version of Android
> > (LG
> > >> >> >>>> Optimus
> > >> >> >>>>>> 3D).
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure
that other places have more of them, but
> they
> > >> are
> > >> >> >>>>>> becoming
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasingly
rare, and I'd rather us only have to
> test
> > >> 2.3
> > >> >> >>>> and
> > >> >> >>>>>> higher
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
we prepare for a release.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Apr 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Braden Shepherdson
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <braden@chromium.org>
wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do
we have a picture of what this would gain us?
> What
> > >> are
> > >> >> >>>> the
> > >> >> >>>>>> pain
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
terms of bugs or missing APIs between 2.2 and
> > 2.3? I
> > >> >> >>>> have
> > >> >> >>>>> the
> > >> >> >>>>>> vague
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression
that there are several things, but I
> > actually
> > >> >> >>>> don't
> > >> >> >>>>>> know.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
there are advantages, I'm all for it.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braden
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Joe Bowser <
> > >> >> >>>> bowserj@gmail.com
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hey
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Good news everyone! Android 2.2 (Froyo) has dipped
> > >> below
> > >> >> >>>> 5%.
> > >> >> >>>>>> This
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
means that we can safely drop support for this
> > version
> > >> of
> > >> >> >>>>>> Android and
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
set our lower bound to Android 2.3.  The cool
> thing
> > >> about
> > >> >> >>>> this
> > >> >> >>>>>> is
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
we will only support devices that you can actually
> > buy
> > >> >> >>>> in a
> > >> >> >>>>>> store at
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
this point, which I think is something that we
> > should
> > >> aim
> > >> >> >>>>>> towards.
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Honestly, if Key Lime Pie figured out a way to get
> > 4.x
> > >> >> >>>>>> functionality
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
on single-core devices, that'd be awesome, but I
> > highly
> > >> >> >>>> doubt
> > >> >> >>>>>> it. :(
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So, what do people think about getting rid of
> Froyo
> > >> >> >>>> support?
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Joe
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
>

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