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From: Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
To: "dev@cordova.apache.org" <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:00:34 -0700
Subject: Re: archiving older platforms
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+1

On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:

>+1
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until
>> > they find a steward. This means:
>> >
>> > - we won't be taggin them further
>> > - we won't be including them in a release
>> >
>> > This does not mean:
>> >
>> > - deletion or archiving or attic for the src
>> >
>> > (Think of it as a pause button!)
>> >
>> > Agree/disagree?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no
>> > benefit
>> > > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova.
>> > >
>> > > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to
>> > their
>> > > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make
>> the
>> > > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the
>>refactoring
>> > > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's
>>JS
>> > repo
>> > > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support
>> for
>> > > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at
>> least
>> > as
>> > > far as the JS is concerned.
>> > >
>> > > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a
>> someone
>> > > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if
>> Markus
>> > > wants to do the work to support it through this transition.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis
>><kwallis@blackberry.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we
>>are
>> > able.
>> > >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;)
>> > >>
>> > >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be
>>with us
>> > for
>> > >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing
>>a
>> > >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary
>> > platform
>> > >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to
>>get
>> > >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap
>>Build
>> > IMO,
>> > >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a
>> black
>> > >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the
>>notion
>> > that
>> > >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first.
>> > >>
>> > >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be
>>maintained in
>> > the
>> > >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built
>>on
>> > >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be
>> > able to
>> > >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable
>>platform
>> to
>> > >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures.
>> > >>
>> > >> Hope that makes sense.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.
>> > >> From: Anis KADRI
>> > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM
>> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> > >> Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> s/QR/Qt
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer
>><lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
>> > >> >wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR
>> > >> >
>> > >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the
>>older BB
>> > >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are
>> > currently
>> > >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues
>> > >> regularly,
>> > >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
>>wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as
>> well.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is
>>stopping
>> > anyone
>> > >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related
>>fixes
>> > have
>> > >> > not
>> > >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough
>> that
>> > >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support
>>for
>> the
>> > >> > older
>> > >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks"
>><michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out
>> there
>> > >> are
>> > >> > > >>BB 6
>> > >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet.
>> > >> Developers
>> > >> > > >>don't
>> > >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think
>>the
>> > focus
>> > >> > > >>should
>> > >> > > >> be on BB10.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java"
>>which
>> > >> > includes
>> > >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6
>>although no
>> > one
>> > >> > > >tests
>> > >> > > >that far back anymore.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like
>>to
>> see
>> > >> > Apache
>> > >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build
>> has
>> > >> seen
>> > >> > a
>> > >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >+1 Bada
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the
>> future
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when
>> gearing
>> > up
>> > >> > for
>> > >> > > >Ubuntu Phone
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to
>>better
>> > >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from
>> BlackBerry
>> > to
>> > >> > > >chime
>> > >> > > >in with their opinion.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <
>> anis.kadri@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >> > > wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from
>>the
>> > >> attic.
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI <
>> > anis.kadri@gmail.com>
>> > >> > > >>wrote:
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >> > According to [1]:
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a
>> release,
>> > >> who
>> > >> > > >>have
>> > >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their
>>reporting
>> > >> duties
>> > >> > > >>to
>> > >> > > >> the
>> > >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic."
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active
>>committers"
>> > >> > argument.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no
>>longer
>> > >> > > >>employed by
>> > >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if
>>he's
>> > >> still
>> > >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out
>> > there I
>> > >> am
>> > >> > > >>sure
>> > >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an
>>SDK a
>> > >> couple
>> > >> > of
>> > >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012
>>ahead
>> of
>> > >> > > >>Windows
>> > >> > > >> > Phone [4]
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices
>>out
>> > there
>> > >> > are
>> > >> > > >>BB
>> > >> > > >> 6
>> > >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet.
>> > >> > Developers
>> > >> > > >> don't
>> > >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I think
>> the
>> > >> focus
>> > >> > > >> should
>> > >> > > >> > be on BB10.
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/
>> > >> > > >> > [2]
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>>=20
>>http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-
>> > >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25
>> > >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html
>> > >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux
>><b@brian.io>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support for:
>> > >> > > >> >>
>> > >> > > >> >> - bada
>> > >> > > >> >> - webos
>> > >> > > >> >> - qt
>> > >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7
>> > >> > > >> >>
>> > >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt.
>> > However, I
>> > >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu
>>Phone.
>> > There
>> > >> > are
>> > >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could
>> > happen,
>> > >> it
>> > >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The
>> > older BB
>> > >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10.
>> > >> > > >> >>
>> > >> > > >> >> Thoughts?
>> > >> > > >> >>
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >> >
>> > >> > > >>
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>=20
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