Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CBCBEAE4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 51129 invoked by uid 500); 13 Mar 2013 00:07:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-cordova-dev-archive@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 51099 invoked by uid 500); 13 Mar 2013 00:07:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cordova.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cordova.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cordova.apache.org Received: (qmail 51091 invoked by uid 99); 13 Mar 2013 00:07:18 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:07:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of tommy@devgeeks.org designates 209.85.223.171 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.223.171] (HELO mail-ie0-f171.google.com) (209.85.223.171) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 00:07:12 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so645204ied.30 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=kDmnnyGrA6W/Bqq5IrU2kP7e2jc26gQwiUrL/Dddlng=; b=HjOa+xCsd7HPbdyez3MirzfZCSOPu4zp3ThQ0GgeRUNfVhfBNiCSM/+otRSZ//koIN 1uy1oT61l8zY8JWIfv1RMkcYmcGcSzbi/IU2NyfhtWZDCXAq3/ko4f8npdaAcQBNQG5L 9Ujn4G0n7x/M0JQih6DRCRHu0Ln51YS/UyPprzGpeamlO4iLR89bIiBjS+o6YfEYZatV Gj7ubU04jP2AEmMQJ2jbR+Az5tAeI1R4Ea43uakxWTkDl/DUpD27fZouJBm73oaWaUZN 8TBl0MpBOM0EQh09XuhtXyeyXgZeywMdsTZ/29w1LEq5lrrXe6IKvVfJ8/a8AheqKGKf 6PEw== X-Received: by 10.50.149.233 with SMTP id ud9mr13903928igb.92.1363133211913; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.56] (123-243-103-253.static.tpgi.com.au. [123.243.103.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ip2sm22583279igc.5.2013.03.12.17.06.49 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: Decreasing the Deprecation Time From: Tommy-Carlos Williams In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:06:48 +1100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <935AA6B7-E856-4280-A10E-BF01358C2527@devgeeks.org> References: To: dev@cordova.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlglGSwwd49QwNTQbw81eDweodvOOWz1O+vPkZymQvyo01TOPTe5A36w3///KFoSHDtGuLj X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Just my $0.02, but it almost seems like you are hampering yourselves = while at the same time introducing very little in the way of stability = anyway. No one sees a deprecation warning and thinks "ooh=85 better not use = that=85", they say "a warning is not an error" and move on with their = project. As a plugin author, I was one of the proponents of the deprecation = policy, yet I still feel like plugins break every 2-3 releases anyway, = so why hold yourselves back on other changes/features? - tommy On 13/03/2013, at 9:14 AM, Joe Bowser wrote: > Hey >=20 > When we first set up the deprecation policy, we did it because we > didn't anticipate that we would create massive breakage with Cordova. > Unfortunately as we get closer to 3.0, it seems clear that we agreed > on a policy that isn't allowing us to develop as fast as we would > like. For example, we had to wait six months to remove old history > code that we could have safely removed three months ago when it was > clear that maintaining our own history was not the right way to work > around issues. >=20 > So, I propose that we change the deprecation policy from six months to > the past three releases. Since we release once a month at most, this > will allow us to update the software without having the overhead that > we currently have with the current policy. Point releases (i.e. > 2.5.1) would not count as a release under this policy, it would have > to be a minor release (i.e. 2.5.0) or a major release (3.0). >=20 > Any thoughts on this? >=20 > Joe