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From Filip Maj <...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: sysapps runtime cfc passed
Date Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:54:05 GMT
Actually dude talks about CSP 1.1 supporting whitelisting of inline
scripts ?

On 3/20/13 8:39 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agrieve@chromium.org> wrote:

>This recent security talk talks about why inline scripts are on the way
>out:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WljJ5guzcLs
>
>A good amount of the spec deals with application distribution, which is
>out
>of our hands when talking about App Stores.
>
>It uses a separate AppCache manifest to define what files are in the
>bundle. Does this not imply that the whitelist is still in effect via the
>Network: section of the AppCache manifest?
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Braden Shepherdson
><braden@chromium.org>wrote:
>
>> On the subject of no inline scripts or eval, this is used in the new v2
>> Chrome Apps too. It eliminates a wide spectrum of security risks at a
>> stroke, though it does require changing some of the older web dev
>>practices
>> (onclick="whatever", primarily). If you're already attaching handlers
>>using
>> jQuery, or using something like AngularJS, this is no change.
>>
>> Only loading scripts from inside the app package, I'm not sure. It
>> eliminates the possibility of using a CDN, but the caching benefits of
>>that
>> are inferior to shipping the files in the bundle.
>>
>> Braden
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, picking this up again. At the working group Fil it would be good
>> > to give our feedback on the manifest as it has related to the Cordova
>> > reality.
>> >
>> > I really dislike:
>> >
>> > - scripts can only be loaded from inside the app package
>> > - no inline scripts, no eval
>> >
>> > I really like the idea of killing the whitelist feature..
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > Thanks for the highlights Fil.  Makes for easier reading!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Highlights w.r.t. Cordova:
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Application manifest JSON (yay!) [1]:
>> > >>
>> > >> 2. There is an Application interface now in charge of handling:
>> > >>   - pause/resume/launch/terminate events
>> > >>   - readonly parameters such as install time, origin, parameters,
>> update
>> > >> state (downloading, installing), package size
>> > >>   - methods such as exit, hide, uninstall, update (interesting!)
>> > >>     - related to update, the spec calls for the update firing
>> > >> asynchronously, reporting back progress events to the app. metaaaa
>> > >> 3. App Management interface, which is deemed as a "privileged"
>>API, to
>> > get
>> > >> events about the (un)installation of other applications.
>> > >>
>> > >> Interesting "security" conclusions [2]:
>> > >>
>> > >> - scripts can only be loaded from inside the app package
>> > >> - no inline scripts, no eval
>> > >> - "Media (audio and video) can still be loaded from anywhere;" =>
>>this
>> > >> should inform our media APIs once we get to the audit and finally
>> > >> determine that the whitelist has no effect on media. This already
>> > applies
>> > >> to images on the web.
>> > >> - "Network connections can still be opened anywhere using
>>data-centric
>> > >> APIs like XMLHttpRequest or WebSocket." => implication here is that
>> the
>> > >> whitelist is, really, useless (which has been my opinion always :D
>>)
>> > >>
>> > >> Related, I will be attending the SysApps Face to Face in madrid [3]
>> next
>> > >> month. If anyone from the Cordova community has specific issues
>>that
>> > they
>> > >> would like to see addressed, let me know!
>> > >>
>> > >> [1] http://runtime.sysapps.org/#application-manifest
>> > >> [2] http://runtime.sysapps.org/#csp-policy
>> > >> [3]
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/System_Applications:_1st_F2F_Meeting_Agenda
>> > >>
>> > >> On 3/18/13 9:03 AM, "Giorgio Natili" <g.natili@gnstudio.com>
wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >It should be followed (I have had a quick look) but it depends
>>what
>> > does
>> > >> >it means from a development point of view.
>> > >> >I mean that there is already a roadmap and that this draft should
>> > impact a
>> > >> >lot, so is up to the contributors trying to explain us how much
>> effort
>> > is
>> > >> >required.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Giorgio
>> > >> >
>> > >> >On 3/18/13 8:02 AM, "Brian LeRoux" <b@brian.io> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>Have a look: http://runtime.sysapps.org/
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>What do we think?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>>


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