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From Braden Shepherdson <bra...@chromium.org>
Subject Re: archiving older platforms
Date Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:59:44 GMT
+1


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca>wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until
> > > > they find a steward. This means:
> > > >
> > > > - we won't be taggin them further
> > > > - we won't be including them in a release
> > > >
> > > > This does not mean:
> > > >
> > > > - deletion or archiving or attic for the src
> > > >
> > > > (Think of it as a pause button!)
> > > >
> > > > Agree/disagree?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no
> > > > benefit
> > > > > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova.
> > > > >
> > > > > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins
> to
> > > > their
> > > > > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will
> make
> > > the
> > > > > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the
> > refactoring
> > > > > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's
> JS
> > > > repo
> > > > > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have
> support
> > > for
> > > > > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at
> > > least
> > > > as
> > > > > far as the JS is concerned.
> > > > >
> > > > > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a
> > > someone
> > > > > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if
> > > Markus
> > > > > wants to do the work to support it through this transition.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis <
> kwallis@blackberry.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as
we
> are
> > > > able.
> > > > >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be
> with
> > us
> > > > for
> > > > >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are
> seeing a
> > > > >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary
> > > > platform
> > > > >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market
to
> > get
> > > > >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap
> > Build
> > > > IMO,
> > > > >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit
of a
> > > black
> > > > >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the
> notion
> > > > that
> > > > >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be
> maintained
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10
built
> > on
> > > > >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then
> be
> > > > able to
> > > > >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable
> platform
> > > to
> > > > >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hope that makes sense.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.
> > > > >> From: Anis KADRI
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM
> > > > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > > >> Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > > >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> s/QR/Qt
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer <
> > lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on
the
> older
> > BB
> > > > >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they
are
> > > > currently
> > > > >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the
issues
> > > > >> regularly,
> > > > >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense
to me.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry
as
> > > well.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing
is
> stopping
> > > > anyone
> > > > >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related
> > fixes
> > > > have
> > > > >> > not
> > > > >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable
enough
> > > that
> > > > >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active
support
> for
> > > the
> > > > >> > older
> > > > >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" <
> michael@michaelbrooks.ca
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority
of devices out
> > > there
> > > > >> are
> > > > >> > > >>BB 6
> > > > >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be
that many yet.
> > > > >> Developers
> > > > >> > > >>don't
> > > > >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though
and I think
> > the
> > > > focus
> > > > >> > > >>should
> > > > >> > > >> be on BB10.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry
Java"
> > which
> > > > >> > includes
> > > > >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back
4.6
> although
> > no
> > > > one
> > > > >> > > >tests
> > > > >> > > >that far back anymore.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they
would like
> to
> > > see
> > > > >> > Apache
> > > > >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However,
> PhoneGap/Build
> > > has
> > > > >> seen
> > > > >> > a
> > > > >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >+1 Bada
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the
Attic in the
> > > future
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the
Attic when
> > > gearing
> > > > up
> > > > >> > for
> > > > >> > > >Ubuntu Phone
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build
team to
> > better
> > > > >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff
from
> > > BlackBerry
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > >chime
> > > > >> > > >in with their opinion.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <
> > > anis.kadri@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them
in the attic
> :-D
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can
revive them from
> > the
> > > > >> attic.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI
<
> > > > anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > >>wrote:
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> > According to [1]:
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster
3 votes for a
> > > release,
> > > > >> who
> > > > >> > > >>have
> > > > >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to
fulfill their
> > reporting
> > > > >> duties
> > > > >> > > >>to
> > > > >> > > >> the
> > > > >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the
Attic."
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the
"no active
> committers"
> > > > >> > argument.
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for
Bada, Qt or WebOS.
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer
and is no
> > longer
> > > > >> > > >>employed by
> > > > >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and
I am not sure if
> > he's
> > > > >> still
> > > > >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are
still devices out
> > > > there I
> > > > >> am
> > > > >> > > >>sure
> > > > >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped.
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they
still released an
> SDK
> > a
> > > > >> couple
> > > > >> > of
> > > > >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4
spot in Q3 2012
> > ahead
> > > of
> > > > >> > > >>Windows
> > > > >> > > >> > Phone [4]
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority
of devices
> out
> > > > there
> > > > >> > are
> > > > >> > > >>BB
> > > > >> > > >> 6
> > > > >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't
be that many
> yet.
> > > > >> > Developers
> > > > >> > > >> don't
> > > > >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform
though and I
> think
> > > the
> > > > >> focus
> > > > >> > > >> should
> > > > >> > > >> > be on BB10.
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/
> > > > >> > > >> > [2]
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-
> > > > >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25
> > > > >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html
> > > > >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian
LeRoux <
> b@brian.io
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our
continued support
> for:
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> - bada
> > > > >> > > >> >> - webos
> > > > >> > > >> >> - qt
> > > > >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining
Bada, and Qt.
> > > > However, I
> > > > >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around
given Ubuntu
> Phone.
> > > > There
> > > > >> > are
> > > > >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours
persist they could
> > > > happen,
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony
than real support. The
> > > > older BB
> > > > >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the
real focus is BB10.
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> Thoughts?
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
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