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From Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org>
Subject Re: archiving older platforms
Date Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:46:24 GMT
+1


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:

> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until
> they find a steward. This means:
>
> - we won't be taggin them further
> - we won't be including them in a release
>
> This does not mean:
>
> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src
>
> (Think of it as a pause button!)
>
> Agree/disagree?
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> > If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no
> benefit
> > in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova.
> >
> > There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to
> their
> > own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make the
> > transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the refactoring
> > hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's JS
> repo
> > is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support for
> > this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at least
> as
> > far as the JS is concerned.
> >
> > So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a someone
> > willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if Markus
> > wants to do the work to support it through this transition.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis <kwallis@blackberry.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are
> able.
> >> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;)
> >>
> >> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us
> for
> >> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a
> >> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary
> platform
> >> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to get
> >> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build
> IMO,
> >> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black
> >> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the notion
> that
> >> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first.
> >>
> >> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in
> the
> >> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on
> >> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then be
> able to
> >> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable platform to
> >> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures.
> >>
> >> Hope that makes sense.
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.
> >> From: Anis KADRI
> >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM
> >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms
> >>
> >>
> >> s/QR/Qt
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 Bada/webOS/QR
> >> >
> >> > echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB
> >> > platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are
> currently
> >> > being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues
> >> regularly,
> >> > and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well.
> >> > >
> >> > > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping
> anyone
> >> > > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes
> have
> >> > not
> >> > > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that
> >> > > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the
> >> > older
> >> > > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion.
> >> > >
> >> > > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" <michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out
there
> >> are
> >> > > >>BB 6
> >> > > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet.
> >> Developers
> >> > > >>don't
> >> > > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think
the
> focus
> >> > > >>should
> >> > > >> be on BB10.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" which
> >> > includes
> >> > > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 although
no
> one
> >> > > >tests
> >> > > >that far back anymore.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to
see
> >> > Apache
> >> > > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build
has
> >> seen
> >> > a
> >> > > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >+1 Bada
> >> > > >
> >> > > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future
> >> > > >
> >> > > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing
> up
> >> > for
> >> > > >Ubuntu Phone
> >> > > >
> >> > > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better
> >> > > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry
> to
> >> > > >chime
> >> > > >in with their opinion.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic
:-D
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from
the
> >> attic.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI <
> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> >> > > >>wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > According to [1]:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for
a release,
> >> who
> >> > > >>have
> >> > > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their
reporting
> >> duties
> >> > > >>to
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic."
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active committers"
> >> > argument.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is
no longer
> >> > > >>employed by
> >> > > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure
if he's
> >> still
> >> > > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices
out
> there I
> >> am
> >> > > >>sure
> >> > > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released
an SDK a
> >> couple
> >> > of
> >> > > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012
ahead of
> >> > > >>Windows
> >> > > >> > Phone [4]
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices
out
> there
> >> > are
> >> > > >>BB
> >> > > >> 6
> >> > > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many
yet.
> >> > Developers
> >> > > >> don't
> >> > > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I
think the
> >> focus
> >> > > >> should
> >> > > >> > be on BB10.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/
> >> > > >> > [2]
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-
> >> > > >>tizen/2013-02-25
> >> > > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html
> >> > > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support
for:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> - bada
> >> > > >> >> - webos
> >> > > >> >> - qt
> >> > > >> >> - bb6 & bb7
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and
Qt.
> However, I
> >> > > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu
Phone.
> There
> >> > are
> >> > > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they
could
> happen,
> >> it
> >> > > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support.
The
> older BB
> >> > > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Thoughts?
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
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