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From Tommy-Carlos Williams <>
Subject Re: [plugman] universe and plugin version support needed
Date Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:39:40 GMT
The barrier of having more config files is real and change is starting to cause fatigue amongst
the plugin authors I deal with regularly.

Having said that, I think JSON would be a welcome change overall… 

There really are not that many plugins that are set up with a plugin.xml yet that I know of
anyway. People on this list are probably the authors or maintainers of most of them. ;)

I know we are going to start getting tool fatigue ourselves soon, but would something like
npm's init[1] be useful to alleviate some of the barriers? Much like the cordova cli sets
you up with a folder structure (similarly the yeoman tooling for web dev) maybe we could add
a command to ask a few questions (or take a few args) and spit out some sane defaults and
create a structure for plugin dev?

- Tommy-Carlos "fighting for plugin authors since 2010" Williams



On 23/03/2013, at 1:18 PM, Michal Mocny <> wrote:

> I generally prefer json whenever possible as well, so if its feasible to
> change I'de give that a +1, but I'm not sure how many plugins out there
> already use the manifest based structure.
> As far as creating a second manifest just to register with a universe, this
> isn't unheard of may have benefits, but its yet another barrier for entry
> for 3rdparty plugin devs.  It would be really awesome if sharing plugins
> with the world were as simple as providing a git repo+tag+directory.  I'm
> not sure I buy the versioning argument, whatever structure we come up with
> for version dependancies will have the same likelihood of changing over
> time no matter which file we put it in.
> -Michal
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Anis KADRI <> wrote:
>> Yeah the only issue with plugin.xml is that it's ....XML :-D
>> It would be so much easier to have it stored in JSON. We can make plugman
>> parse the XML from a remote source but I would rather store everything in
>> JSON.
>> Also there can be multiple versions of plugin.xml. I think that is a good
>> enough reason to store the relevant data about plugins (compatible cordova
>> versions with a given plugin version, dependencies, etc...) in an
>> easy-to-read format (JSON). There is a bit of duplication yes but it's for
>> a good cause and the gain is huge.
>> The submission process would be:
>> - A plugin author submits a new plugin, gives it a version and specifies
>> which version of cordova it was tested on.
>> - A new version of Cordova comes out and requires the plugin author to
>> update their plugin to stay compatible.
>> - We start building the Cordova version <=> plugin version mapping like
>> that.
>> Thoughts ?
>> -a
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>> makes sense to me; we'll likely want to query on that stuff eventually
>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Michal Mocny <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Should the universe just keep a copy of a plugin.xml so that it can
>> have
>>> a
>>>> list of plugin dependancies and everything?  plugin.xml will already
>>> have a
>>>> list of compatible cordova versions, right?
>>>> Then the universe can manage a reverse mapping if it wants fast access.
>>>> -Michal
>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>>>> A plugin should specify the Cordova versions it supports too.
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>>>>> I am sure we all agree to this. Want to get a sense of how it will
>>>>>> happen. Anis you mentioned you need Braden to commit the JS stuff
>>>>>> first?

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