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From Gord Tanner <gtan...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: archiving older platforms
Date Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:09:57 GMT
I am confused, who are the stewards and what platforms are being stewarded?

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-03-21, at 6:00 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:

> +1
> 
> On 3/21/13 2:12 PM, "Shazron" <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Michal Mocny <mmocny@chromium.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok, I think we have agreement that we'll put these guys on hold until
>>>> they find a steward. This means:
>>>> 
>>>> - we won't be taggin them further
>>>> - we won't be including them in a release
>>>> 
>>>> This does not mean:
>>>> 
>>>> - deletion or archiving or attic for the src
>>>> 
>>>> (Think of it as a pause button!)
>>>> 
>>>> Agree/disagree?
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Andrew Grieve <agrieve@chromium.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> If there are no fixes going into these platforms, then there is no
>>>> benefit
>>>>> in their users updating them to newer versions of Cordova.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's going to be more refactoring required when moving plugins to
>>>> their
>>>>> own repos. We'll really need owners for all platforms that will make
>>> the
>>>>> transition, or else we won't have any way to test that the
>>> refactoring
>>>>> hasn't broken a platform. On specific example is that blackberry's
>>> JS
>>>> repo
>>>>> is really 4-in-1 currently, and our plugin spec doesn't have support
>>> for
>>>>> this. They will need to be split out into 4 separate platforms, at
>>> least
>>>> as
>>>>> far as the JS is concerned.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So... I guess my +1 is just for any platform that doesn't have a
>>> someone
>>>>> willing to focus on it. E.g. I'm fine with keeping WebOS around if
>>> Markus
>>>>> wants to do the work to support it through this transition.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Ken Wallis
>>> <kwallis@blackberry.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we
>>> are
>>>> able.
>>>>>> I am anxiously awaiting that information myself. ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be
>>> with us
>>>> for
>>>>>> a deal of time, particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing
>>> a
>>>>>> significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks as the primary
>>>> platform
>>>>>> of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to
>>> get
>>>>>> adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap
>>> Build
>>>> IMO,
>>>>>> and they don't deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of
a
>>> black
>>>>>> box, but our enterprise support teams continually support the
>>> notion
>>>> that
>>>>>> enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be
>>> maintained in
>>>> the
>>>>>> short term. Our team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built
>>> on
>>>>>> Cordova, and once that has gotten to a stable point we will then
be
>>>> able to
>>>>>> look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a valuable
>>> platform
>>> to
>>>>>> support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope that makes sense.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.
>>>>>> From: Anis KADRI
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM
>>>>>> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: archiving older platforms
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> s/QR/Qt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer
>>> <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> +1 Bada/webOS/QR
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the
>>> older BB
>>>>>>> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are
>>>> currently
>>>>>>> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues
>>>>>> regularly,
>>>>>>> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry
as
>>> well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is
>>> stopping
>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related
>>> fixes
>>>> have
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough
>>> that
>>>>>>>> drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support
>>> for
>>> the
>>>>>>> older
>>>>>>>> BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks"
>>> <michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices
out
>>> there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> BB 6
>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that
many yet.
>>>>>> Developers
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though and
I think
>>> the
>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry
Java"
>>> which
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>>>> BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6
>>> although no
>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> tests
>>>>>>>>> that far back anymore.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would
like
>>> to
>>> see
>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build
>>> has
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> +1 Bada
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> +1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic
in the
>>> future
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> +1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic
when
>>> gearing
>>>> up
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu Phone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> +0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team
to
>>> better
>>>>>>>>> understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from
>>> BlackBerry
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> chime
>>>>>>>>> in with their opinion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <
>>> anis.kadri@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the
attic :-D
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive
them from
>>> the
>>>>>> attic.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI <
>>>> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> According to [1]:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes
for a
>>> release,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill
their
>>> reporting
>>>>>> duties
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic."
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe those projects satisfy the "no active
>>> committers"
>>>>>>> argument.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt
or WebOS.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer
and is no
>>> longer
>>>>>>>>>> employed by
>>>>>>>>>>> the company that is in charge of it and I am
not sure if
>>> he's
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> interested in maintaining it. There are still
devices out
>>>> there I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>>> but no new devices are getting shipped.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released
an
>>> SDK a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in
Q3 2012
>>> ahead
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone [4]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority
of devices
>>> out
>>>> there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>>> 6
>>>>>>>>>>> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that
many yet.
>>>>>>> Developers
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be interested in those platform though
and I think
>>> the
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be on BB10.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://attic.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>> 
>>> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-
>>>>>>>>>> tizen/2013-02-25
>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html
>>>>>>>>>>> [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux
>>> <b@brian.io>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The question has come up about our continued
support for:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - bada
>>>>>>>>>>>> - webos
>>>>>>>>>>>> - qt
>>>>>>>>>>>> - bb6 & bb7
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is currently actively maintaining
Bada, and Qt.
>>>> However, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given
Ubuntu
>>> Phone.
>>>> There
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist
they could
>>>> happen,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like its more of a ceremony than real
support. The
>>>> older BB
>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are maintained but the real focus
is BB10.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
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