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From Ken Wallis <kwal...@blackberry.com>
Subject Re: archiving older platforms
Date Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:52:12 GMT

We will try to provide relevant stats on platform adoption as we are able. I am anxiously
awaiting that information myself. ;)

While lacking this information, I still feel that BBOS will be with us for a deal of time,
particularly in the enterprise where we are seeing a significant trend towards Cordova/PhoneGap/WebWorks
as the primary platform of choice for apps. This is, frustratingly, a difficult market to
get adequate metrics out of, as they will typically not use PhoneGap Build IMO, and they don't
deploy to commercial application stores. A bit of a black box, but our enterprise support
teams continually support the notion that enterprise looks at HTML5 apps first.

In this regard, we would like to see support for BBOS be maintained in the short term. Our
team is focused on bringing up BlackBerry 10 built on Cordova, and once that has gotten to
a stable point we will then be able to look at resources and determine if BBOS is still a
valuable platform to support and if we can port BBOS to the new structures.

Hope that makes sense.

Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone.
From: Anis KADRI
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:00 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Reply To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: archiving older platforms


s/QR/Qt


On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Lorin Beer <lorin.beer.dev@gmail.com>wrote:

> +1 Bada/webOS/QR
>
> echoing Michael's point, I'd like to see usage stats on the older BB
> platforms. BB10 should absolutely be the focus, but If they are currently
> being used, mothballing may be premature. Revisiting the issues regularly,
> and making one based on usage stats makes the most sense to me.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 all of them, Java and Air implementations of BlackBerry as well.
> >
> > For the older implementations of BlackBerry, nothing is stopping anyone
> > from using that code. The fact is that Java and Air-related fixes have
> not
> > been going in regularly. The implementations are stable enough that
> > drawing a line in the sand and saying no more active support for the
> older
> > BB SDKs is acceptable in my opinion.
> >
> > On 3/17/13 11:44 AM, "Michael Brooks" <michael@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there are
> > >>BB 6
> > >> and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet. Developers
> > >>don't
> > >> seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus
> > >>should
> > >> be on BB10.
> > >
> > >
> > >It would probably be more accurate to say "BlackBerry Java" which
> includes
> > >BB 4.6/5/6/7 - yep, we "support" all the way back 4.6 although no one
> > >tests
> > >that far back anymore.
> > >
> > >I've heard BlackBerry voice the opinion that they would like to see
> Apache
> > >Cordova focus solely on BlackBerry 10. However, PhoneGap/Build has seen
> a
> > >large demand for BlackBerry 5 and 6.
> > >
> > >+1 Bada
> > >
> > >+1 webOS - we may want to bring this out of the Attic in the future
> > >
> > >+1 QR - we may want to bring it this out of the Attic when gearing up
> for
> > >Ubuntu Phone
> > >
> > >+0 BB - I want to talk with the our PhoneGap/Build team to better
> > >understand their stance. I'd also like Ken or Jeff from BlackBerry to
> > >chime
> > >in with their opinion.
> > >
> > >On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 to kill those platforms and archive them in the attic :-D
> > >>
> > >> If WebOS, Qt become relevant again we can revive them from the attic.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Anis KADRI <anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > According to [1]:
> > >> >
> > >> > "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who
> > >>have
> > >> > no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties
> > >>to
> > >> the
> > >> > board are all good candidates for the Attic."
> > >> >
> > >> > I believe those projects satisfy the "no active committers"
> argument.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't see any active committers for Bada, Qt or WebOS.
> > >> >
> > >> > Markus Leutwyler is the only WebOS committer and is no longer
> > >>employed by
> > >> > the company that is in charge of it and I am not sure if he's still
> > >> > interested in maintaining it. There are still devices out there I
am
> > >>sure
> > >> > but no new devices are getting shipped.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bada is officially dead [2] but they still released an SDK a couple
> of
> > >> > weeks ago [3] O_O! They still owned #4 spot in Q3 2012 ahead of
> > >>Windows
> > >> > Phone [4]
> > >> >
> > >> > As far as bb 6 and 7, I am sure the majority of devices out there
> are
> > >>BB
> > >> 6
> > >> > and 7. BB10 just came out so there can't be that many yet.
> Developers
> > >> don't
> > >> > seem to be interested in those platform though and I think the focus
> > >> should
> > >> > be on BB10.
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] http://attic.apache.org/
> > >> > [2]
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/story/samsung-scraps-bada-os-folds-it-
> > >>tizen/2013-02-25
> > >> > [3] http://static.bada.com/releasenotes/2.0.6.html
> > >> > [4] http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2237315
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io>
wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> The question has come up about our continued support for:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - bada
> > >> >> - webos
> > >> >> - qt
> > >> >> - bb6 & bb7
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Nobody is currently actively maintaining Bada, and Qt. However,
I
> > >> >> could see us wanting to keep Qt around given Ubuntu Phone. There
> are
> > >> >> no new webOS devices, though rumours persist they could happen,
it
> > >> >> seems like its more of a ceremony than real support. The older
BB
> > >> >> platforms are maintained but the real focus is BB10.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thoughts?
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> >
>

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