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From: Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:59:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Switch BlackBerry 10 Cordova download from WebWorks
 to NDK
Thread-Topic: [DISCUSS] Switch BlackBerry 10 Cordova download from WebWorks
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I don=B9t think a dependency on node/npm is any more problematic than a
dependency on ANT, for example.

On 12/5/12 2:55 PM, "Gord Tanner" <gtanner@gmail.com> wrote:

>Is dependencies on node and npm a problem?
>
>I was thinking this wouldn't be that big of a problem since
>Cordova-client depends on those projects too.
>
>If it is a huge deal I can look into removing those dependencies
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On 2012-12-05, at 3:30 PM, Drew Walters <deedubbu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, if the WebWorks SDK itself needs to provide native code for
>> functionality, how will that be provided?
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>> What dependency differences are we looking at?  Looks like to pull and
>> build WebWorks SDK it would require git, node, npm, native SDK. Anything
>> else? Does the native SDK have any pre-reqs?
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>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Nukul Bhasin <me@nukulb.com> wrote:
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>>>> Does the WebWorks packager for BB 10 handle the compilation of native
>>>> plugins or do they have to be pre-compiled prior to packaging now?
>>> No. BB10 WebWorks Packager includes built binaries that are then
>>>packaged
>>> into the app.
>>> If you want to build native extensions you must use the NDK.
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>>> For OS5-7 and playbook WebWorks SDK included BlackBerry Java SDK or
>>>Air SDK
>>> but WebWorks BB10 does not include the NDK
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>>> To answer the question why its different for BB10, because I like 9MB
>>> instead of 900 MB :)
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>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Drew Walters <deedubbu@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
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>>>> Call me old fashioned but I like 9MB downloads better the 900MB :-)
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>>>> I guess the necessity for this is because unlike WebWorks for OS5-7,
>>>>the
>>>> native libraries are not included in WebWorks for BB 10.
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>>>> Does the WebWorks packager for BB 10 handle the compilation of native
>>>> plugins or do they have to be pre-compiled prior to packaging now?
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>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Gord Tanner <gtanner@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Correct. This would be for any cordova BlackBerry 10 APIs (not
>>>>>external
>>>>> plugins).
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>>>>> This will allow us the native compile step for Cordova that we don't
>>> have
>>>>> access to with WebWorks (that other platforms have).
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>>>>> The key for this is flexibility.  Nothing is changing with this now
>>>>>but
>>>>> allows us more tools to support BlackBerry 10 Cordova in the future.
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>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Drew Walters <deedubbu@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> Making sure I understand the steps:
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>>>>>> 1. User downloads and installs BlackBerry 10 Native SDK and Cordova.
>>>>>> 2. Executing the create script to create a project will somehow
>>>> determine
>>>>>> if the user has the WebWorks SDK and if not...
>>>>>> 3. Clone the WebWorks SDK using git.
>>>>>> 4. Build the WebWorks SDK.
>>>>>> 5. Update the project.properties for the project to point at the
>>> built
>>>>>> WebWorks SDK.
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>>>>>> I would prefer to not dynamically clone and build the WebWorks SDK
>>>>>>as
>>>>> part
>>>>>> of Cordova project creation, seems like that could be prone to
>>> issues.
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>>>>>> I would tend to think the majority of developers would not be
>>> building
>>>>>> custom plugins for their application. Would the native SDK be
>>> required
>>>> by
>>>>>> Cordova end developers if Cordova for BlackBerry 10 contains some
>>>> native
>>>>>> (C++) plugins?
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>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Gord Tanner <gtanner@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Currently for developing for BlackBerry 10 the user needs to
>>> download
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> install the WebWorks SDK.  [1].
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>>>>>>> This SDK is opensource and available from github [2] and users are
>>>> able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> clone and build the SDK with the native development tools available
>>>>> [3].
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>>>>>>> I would like to switch the BlackBerry 10 platform for cordova to
>>> use
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> NDK and clone WebWorks from github.  The only difference a cordova
>>>>>>> developer would notice would be what download we tell them to
>>> install
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the documentations, everything else would be handled by the
>>>>> ./bin/create
>>>>>>> script and ./cordova/* scripts pointing where the WebWorks SDK
>>> lives.
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>>>>>>> This preps us to have the tools available on the developers machine
>>>> to
>>>>>>> build any native extensions that may or may not be needed for
>>>>> BlackBerry
>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>> development.
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>>>>>>> [1] https://developer.blackberry.com/html5/download/
>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/blackberry/BB10-Webworks-Packager
>>>>>>> [3] http://developer.blackberry.com/native/beta/
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>>> --
>>> *Nukul Bhasin*
>>> *Computer Engineer, B.Eng*
>>> *10 Queens Quay W, suite#1710*
>>> *Toronto, ON, Canada*
>>> *Ph: 416 508 3157*
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