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From Gord Tanner <>
Subject Re: Fast edit-refresh cycles
Date Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:36:52 GMT
This also is feeding into some of the work we are doing with ripple.

Ripple will serve up the app and host it kind of like how we do for in
browser testing.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-11-22, at 3:15 PM, Filip Maj <> wrote:

> Agree with Jesse.
> Automatically adding the plugin's .js to html pages inside a www dir can
> be done by the cordova-client tool anyways.
> Agree this should go to vote before we proceed.
> On 11/22/12 12:13 PM, "Jesse" <> wrote:
>> I think all the refresh stuff is super cool, I will share how I work,
>> so you can get another perspective.
>> 90% of my code is written on localhost, either running directly in a
>> browser to work out UI stuff.
>> When I need access to actual device APIs, I simply put a redirect in
>> my index.html.
>> This gets me through 99% of my work, after which I can fine tune an
>> individual device or functional piece in XCode, Eclipse, Visual
>> Studio, et al
>> When it comes to inclusion of multiple script tags, I do not see this
>> as a barrier at all.  This is the way the internet has always worked,
>> and it ain't broke.
>> I like the explicit declaration of having a script tag, plus you can
>> have multiple pages, with different plugin requirements.  Adding an
>> extra build step, + reinventing the internet inside our framework is
>> madness in my opinion.
>> This of course does not preclude use of this technique, however, I
>> feel very strongly that we should NOT be building this into our
>> framework, and forcing developers to use this approach.  I think this
>> is definitely something that we should vote on before developing
>> further if the goal is inclusion in cordova.
>> Cheers,
>> Jesse
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:34 AM, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
>>> super interesting. I like where this is going.
>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Andrew Grieve <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Filip Maj <> wrote:
>>>>> Dude: awesome!
>>>>> My answers in-line:
>>>>>> 2. Manually adding the <script> tags to include every new plugin
>>>> really
>>>>>> lame. I propose a unified file, plugins.js or similar, that's always
>>>>>> included in the index.html. Every time you add or remove a plugin,
>>>> the
>>>>>> Javascript files for all the plugins are concatenated into this
>>>> file.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> are likely some problems with this approach. Inserting/removing the
>>>>>> <script> tags from the index page is also an option, though
>>>> requires
>>>>>> more clever scripts.
>>>>> Can you elaborate more on this? I don't understand.
>>>> Here's the motivating example to explain this:
>>>> - Our goal for 3.0 is to have cordova be just the bridge, and to have
>>>> all
>>>> core plugins in separate repos
>>>> - Right now, when you pluginstall a plugin, you need to manually edit
>>>> your
>>>> .html to add the .js of the plugin in a <script> tag.
>>>> - This will be quite annoying to have to add ~10 <script> tags, (one
>>>> for
>>>> each core plugin, plus one for each non-core plugin you have)
>>>> Here's Braden's idea explained a bit more:
>>>> - Have a plugin.js file in addition to the cordova.js file
>>>> - cordova.js to have the platform's bridge & init code
>>>> - plugins.js to contain the concatenation of all plugin .js files
>>>> - plugins.js to be regenerated whenever a plugin is added / removed
>>>> - Apps will need to add both .js files to their html, but not need to
>>>> add a
>>>> <script> for every plugin separately.
>>>>>> 3. Setting the start page manually on every platform sucks. I think
>>>> this
>>>>>> should be a value in config.xml that gets set on cordova build.
>>>> Obviously
>>>>>> that requires 1. to be fixed, but we'll get there soon.
>>>>> Yes, there is config.xml prior art for this:
>>>>> We should file issues to add support for this.
>>>>> Thanks for forking + contributing to cordova-client, stoked to see
>>>> more
>>>>> contributors in there! Related: once we migrate to our new git repos
>>>> we
>>>>> should get a new one set up for cordova-client.
>> -- 
>> @purplecabbage

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