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From Brett Porter <>
Subject Re: folding Redback into Archiva or Continuum?
Date Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:42:33 GMT

On 03/12/2010, at 12:19 AM, Louis Smith wrote:

> Interesting timing on this.  

I'm glad to hear about it - I hoped that the topic would make any direct users come out of
the woodwork!

> We are in the process of rolling out the latest
> releases of Archiva and Continuum as part of the Software Development
> Infrastructure used at a government agency that is one of my key clients.
> We use the redback security so the developers can log in with their normal
> AD based credentials.
> I also tasked 2 of my developers with looking at using Redback to use as the
> core of security for their Java apps that run the agency.  Both felt that it
> wasn't "ready for prime time" for other usage - but Archiva and Continuum
> were ok as the SDI roles are managed within continuum at the project level
> anyway.
> If Redback were to "flesh out" the full RBAC robustly, then they would have
> been interested.

Right - that's what the other initial interest was in relation to as well, but nothing has
happened in the last 2 years. It's a bit of a "chicken and egg" situation I guess. For the
existing functionality, it's been relatively stable for some time too.

There's a couple of questions worth asking you here:
- is there anything we can do to help you contribute?
- would that be helped or hindered by the project changing location?

> We did have to apply the case sensitivity patch to Redback and rebuild
> everything - but other than that, we love the suite.
> (svn/maven/archiva/continuum/forrest).  Please make sure that makes it into
> the next releases!

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it.

- Brett

> Thanks - have a great holiday season everyone!!
> Louis
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Brett Porter <> wrote:
>> (Apologies for cross-posting - replies are best sent back to dev@redback,
>> unless it's specific to one of the other projects).
>> After initial attempts to gain external interest, some time has elapsed and
>> it seems obvious that Redback hasn't been used outside of Continuum and
>> Archiva. Further, it is unlikely to grow in the way they use it. I'm not
>> sure it makes sense to remain as a standalone project, and it appeals to me
>> to have all of the code under Apache. Less lists to subscribe to and more
>> consolidated activity makes sense to me too.
>> It's also true that moving doesn't buy much immediate benefit other than
>> consolidation, so maybe it is fine where it is :)
>> If it were to move, as it's unlikely to establish it's own community, I
>> don't think incubation would make sense. Instead, after clearing the IP, I
>> would suggest a subproject of either Continuum or Archiva. In terms of
>> committer overlap, the larger overlap of distinct committers is with
>> Continuum (Marica and Olivier) vs Archiva (James), with Marica being the
>> most recently active.
>> Given that, I would think a subproject of Continuum makes sense - but that
>> we should agree that all Archiva committers should have commit access to it
>> and a binding vote on any releases. Does anyone feel strongly it should be
>> the other way around?
>> What do others think? If it's worth doing I will call a formal vote.
>> Cheers,
>> Brett
>> --
>> Brett Porter
> -- 
> Dr. Louis Smith, ThD
> Chief Technology Officer, Kyra InfoTech
> Colonel, Commemorative Air Force

Brett Porter

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