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From: Chris Nauroth <cnauroth@hortonworks.com>
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Apologies for the prior spam.  That was a mishandled list admin email.

As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of activity.  I
think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays.  The monthly
reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month.  Still, other podlings
did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.

I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
mentor/shepherd notes.  I just seconded that myself.

Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to re-establish
steady activity this month?  Beyond that, I don't think there is anything
more the IPMC can do to help right now.  Mentors are already watching over
the state of the project and responding quickly to requests for advice.  I
don't think this is a case where we need to add more mentors.

I agree with the sentiment that pushing a project away only to bring it
back later could be counter-productive.  However, I would interpret a
long-term (multi-month) dormant trend as an indicator that the podling
isn't viable.

--Chris Nauroth


On 1/8/16, 8:20 PM, "Chris Nauroth" <cnauroth@hortonworks.com> wrote:

>Accept
>
>--Chris Nauroth
>
>From: Ross Gardler
><Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com<mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>>
>Date: Friday, January 8, 2016 at 7:54 PM
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>"
><general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>>
>Cc:=20
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>org>"=20
><dev@concerted.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@concerted.incubator.apache.
>org>>, Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com<mailto:atri.jiit@gmail.com>>
>Subject: RE: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>+1
>
>Sent from my Windows Phone
>________________________________
>From: Roman Shaposhnik<mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>
>Sent: ?1/?8/?2016 7:35 PM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
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>rg>; Atri Sharma<mailto:atri.jiit@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>
>On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Ted Dunning
><ted.dunning@gmail.com<mailto:ted.dunning@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Atri,
>>
>> It looks like community building is going slowly with Concerted.  This
>>is
>> understandable as a part-time activity.
>>
>> Would it be simpler and better for the project to build a community
>>outside
>> Apache and bring the project back for incubation once you have done so?
>
>But what's wrong with this community building exercise within the Apache?
>
>I honestly don't get what this is going to accomplish if we push Concerted
>out AND then get them back.
>
>I also don't get why we're so concerned about this particular community
>where we had examples of very, very slow to take off communities in
>the Incubator.
>
>Thanks,
>Roman.
>
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