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From Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects
Date Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:12:26 GMT
Hi,

I saw a few examples of how corporate employer's emails had a negative
influence on the community health and good ideas were rejected.
So (in any kind) stating that Apache Project X roadmap can be driven by
company Y (or companies Y and Z) it a dangerous thing.

Volunteers will never join the community if everything is decided outside
community and nothing they can change here. Eventually, it becomes a fake,
non-diverse community, but not real community-driven open source project
development. I would not recommend the usage of a project or joining the
community if you feel that things go this way.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

ср, 17 апр. 2019 г. в 22:17, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org>:

> Rich Bowen wrote on 4/17/19 3:08 PM:
> > By policy and long-standing tradition, no. Companies do not participate
> > in projects. Individuals participate in projects.
> >
> > It's possible I misunderstand the question, but this is something we
> > have always discouraged.
> I think it's a bigger question than that, but in general I'd also be
> cautious.  More particularly, any new suggested practices for PMCs
> should be reviewed against existing documentation:
>
>   https://community.apache.org/projectIndependence
>   https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>
> The big question is: how, specifically, would this be displayed on
> project websites (the projects that opt to do so, obviously)?  I can
> imagine some ways to recognize corporations, but Rich has a hugely
> important point above: only individuals are recognized as committers,
> PMC members, or ASF Members - never companies.
>
> So while the corporate linking guidelines above show ways PMCs can
> choose to recognize corporations who help their work by donating
> servers/CI/whatever, we still expect all the core work on our projects
> to be done with individuals using their Apache committer affiliation -
> and not their corporate affiliation.
>
> Having some more specific examples of what this might look like would
> probably help discussing the issue as well.
>
>
>
> >
> > On 4/17/19 2:27 PM, Griselda Cuevas wrote:
> >> Hi ComDev,
> >>
> >> What are your opinions/best practices on attributing contributions to
> >> commercial vendors who support an Apache project. I recently had a few
> >> discussions with folks in OSS and they convinced me on this being a good
> >> idea because it has a two-fold purpose:
> >>
> >>
> >>     1.
> >>
> >>     It brings clarity to project roadmap and dependencies.
> >>     Knowing what companies are investing in a given area, allows users &
> >>     contributors know who to contact to move their own contributions
> >> faster and
> >>     gives companies the ability to accept user suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     1.
> >>
> >>     Gives recognition to the companies (or individuals) who are
> >> investing in
> >>     Airflow.
> >>     This in the long term adds value to the project brand itself as it’s
> >>     easy to demonstrate who is using/contributing to the project.
> >>
> >>
> >> So my question is: Have you seen this done in a project? If yes, how
> they
> >> do it? Would you support this?
> >>
> >> I want to clarify that I understand that Open Source is about the
> >> individuals and not the companies, however I also see the need for
> >> transparency for the sake of project agility.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> G
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
>
> - Shane
>   ComDev PMC
>   The Apache Software Foundation
>
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