From dev-return-10969-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@community.apache.org Thu Nov 29 16:35:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 605AE18066C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:35:41 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 94353 invoked by uid 500); 29 Nov 2018 15:35:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 94331 invoked by uid 99); 29 Nov 2018 15:35:34 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:35:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 49F34180635 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:35:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.797 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.797 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpF6J6IpaBMf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com (mail-ed1-f47.google.com [209.85.208.47]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 7A88F5F5A5 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id o10so2223555edt.13 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 07:35:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+8sv8hKI48MPsY6Ay2EfZYrU+IwQMwyzOrnfv2P53Vg=; b=hJkaKVhjZqcfrYxkAlJgygiu0lMluiQY/m41FpOX6oe6Ul7KZTLC3TYMyAMqejcgM5 ZETf3kDQIE3klg/utsFx4MaSvlJWATfq/XPPXcAAMqMa8YOPmphdCa1C/XfgPsqcfhJx ZKO1D1sae2tCFRxLPtIMr5IHTfcM2/2uONDz0T+7uCgNsrjDsjVkY62FoFN1hhihjsuz ThPGoSgBEo7Uc9Qxsl1tOjzZ4Vahr0NEtopor6SpVjUF1lYN+1OTCYx9Utagqpn2lcMj i8HmHT9Exd7l5rXl5Q2C+AQ8mcDQOg4SYwOZufyRcXKucyLBMj8t9hGkUPF7E84vR6Z3 pQbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+8sv8hKI48MPsY6Ay2EfZYrU+IwQMwyzOrnfv2P53Vg=; b=MfnUJGDNfhpEA1clJRfzgWuRUGlOI1xW3DBJXEgxkFM5KpSKn4by7nN5tbtquHU/x/ r0kYfKwARKCTky1n5IsTJ8qkXynTsJNIoiA+rElnxtQ9Y62228XW0tVkwiDDmE9luptC +7cGfUYMQZsoiySR1Ax9YNC9p3O+lmJR8IdCFTPSmt07tvtN2AQ2nbKPsBWtfMKDQyk0 cnk4Ge6Frdav7CrtdERs+jNOuVCukUafwl1ALb16FtedWfAKzYy/rGES2LGcrYgthBc5 vI1GzBKmStcw2DrOi5g9rhIauLaCYAq0M/78gXsoLxUztS8CK6AmGgpwcmoHMNnpRx8X iqdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZ8XtPiZStMcCOrx4lui9y+3auoqJ348z/5DDYdEcyiYijVhzpw ZfMQTOSpmEEWFrz6pOwjmVbAHyPrKDS+taaDOQbXUJQu X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W7ozfKKu3k2HG8+tY4M30tQyiylfGvxOLjlGBTZrlrJELTu9i2A55De7d1ICKX232nWW+/sT2SEhgpx+i4dYI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:14d8:: with SMTP id y24-v6mr1988389ejc.216.1543505730805; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Santiago Gala Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 16:35:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Onboarding Experience, Knowledge Architecture, Events and D&I To: dev@community.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cb23c2057bcf6e73" --000000000000cb23c2057bcf6e73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:09 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Griselda, > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:03 PM Griselda Cuevas > wrote: > > ...The projects I'm working on are: > > 1. New Contributor/Comitter Onboarding Experience > > 2. Knowledge Base Architecture for projects (documentation) > > 3. Events > > 4. Diversity & Inclusion, focuses in LatinAmerica ... > > I'm quite inactive these days, but if there is an area where I'm active in the ASF it is precisely Community Development. Re: the 4th area, Diversity & Inclusion, if you need a native Spanish speaker I might be able to help a bit Re: what Bertrand comments below, I share his approach. I'll paraphrase it as I like to imagine it: * you have your dream/design about how you would like things to be in the future * you analyse how the things are currently * you give small, reversible steps that leave things closer to your dream * you check if the effect of the output makes me reconsider aspects of the target and/or the analysis changes in time * ... It is a long term process, and ideally quality increases monotonically in time, so you can stop or pause whenever you want or needs to, always with positive results. Regards Santiago > I think these are all great topics, thanks for sharing! > > My comment as someone who's been around Apache for quite a while is > that "big" initiatives tend to be abandoned after some time, as our > community members tend to come and go and their availability varies > over time. > > I'm much more of fan of small, concrete things that help us progress > in those areas. Blog posts that stand on their own and stay around > forever, concrete actions at our conferences and events that help > foster diversity, etc... > > As an example, I would be very skeptical about a Foundation-wide > initiative for a knowledge base architecture. But if you find one or > two projects who are willing to participate in such an experiment by > reworking their documentation I would be very enthusiastic - their > docs would probably improve in the process and can later serve as > examples for others, and the energy invested is directly valuable. > > I hope I'm not being too negative - this sounds like a great > initiative and I hope we can channel it so it brings long-term value > to the Foundation. > > -Bertrand > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org > > --000000000000cb23c2057bcf6e73--