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From Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>
Subject Re: The Apache Way and good developers don’t like to communicate
Date Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:31:11 GMT
Hi Dmitriy,

Is Ignite a PMC = committer community or a PMC ⊂ committer community?

You may have different requirements for communication level depending on
which of these your community is.  But I don't believe it is possible to
write very good code without being willing to talk with others about it.

Still, different communities have different "bars".  And I've come to be
convinced by Greg Stein, that a lower committer bar is better for
attracting contributions.  People might feel more comfortable communicating
once they've been given the committer bit?

Regards,
Myrle

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear ASF Fellows,
>
> I am PMC member of Apache Ignite, but I joined PMC relatively recently. I
> need help from you again in regarding the Apache Way.
>
> Question is related to comittership for community members,
>
> - who are not visible on dev/user list, have a couple of threads they
> participated
>
> - but contributed a significant feature or many fixes.
>
> Usually, such contributors work for a commercial company with sufficient
> product expertise, so they probably collaborate with experts, but outside
> space of Apache.
>
>
> Several guides and policies
>
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#meritocracy
>
> http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html
>
> and others say that PMC member needs to evaluate communication and
> cooperative work with peers, ability to be a mentor, behavior in
> disagreement.
>
>
> Communication is required by Apache Ignite guide
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Committership+Bar+Guidance
>
> Simultaneously
> https://community.apache.org/contributors/#contributing-a-project-copdoc
>
> contains a mention someone who contributed sufficiently to ‘ANY’ area may
> become a committer. So why can't we count code only contribution without
> contribution to community/project?
>
> There are several cases when I may disagree with other PMC members.
>
> I insist candidate should communicate in ASF space because A)
> community-first and motto: B) “If it didn’t happen on the mailing list it
> didn’t happen.” For such cases then contributors collaborate outside Apache
> space we can still accept a contribution, still appreciate contributor’s
> effort and say thank you; but not promote as a committer. But I may
> over-estimate the role of collaboration in the ASF. I may be too strict in
> understanding ASF principles.
>
> But PMCs who suggest such comittership candidates may counter-argument
>
> - those cool developers don't like to communicate (they may be a little bit
> uncomfortable with public communications/tries to avoid spam/any other
> reasons they have).
>
> - If he or she will communicate often, then he or she will never have time
> to write a code.
>
> So what do you think? Is it required to communicate with the rest of the
> community publicly more than a couple of times to become a committer?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>

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