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From Myrle Krantz <>
Subject Re: Why are large code drops damaging to a community?
Date Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:21:56 GMT
I'm very grateful to Joan for sharing this.  It must have been difficult
and time consuming to write this experience down.  It required courage to
put this information in the public, in the context of my original post
which was very critical of offlist development.  I learned a lot from your
story Joan.

I agree with only part of Bertrand's assessment however.  Here we need to
separate the question about whether the large code drop was damaging for
the community from the value judgement about whether it was *right* for the

It's fairly clear that the code drop Joan described *was* damaging to the
community.  They lost contributions, and disrupted people's work.  The
Nebraska committer put in a great deal of time.

But it's also fairly clear that that the code drop Joan described was
*right* for her community anyways.  The "strong will of the contributors to
help the community in the long term, as opposed to just dropping code and
moving on." that Bertrand cites were important mitigating factors which
balanced out those effects.

I'd also add: IBM/Cloudant seemed to have shown considerable compassion for
the community members in the process.  IBM/Cloudant answered the question,
that I posed "why is Acme Corp so certain you had nothing of value to add?"
in a way that redirected the insult inherent in offlist development into

Best Regards,

By the way, the framework I'm applying here is something I learned from
reading "Winning Decisions" by J. Edward Russo.  p. 176 - 180. The basic
idea is that you separate facts from value judgments.  Facts may be fairly
easy to agree on.  And differing value judgments may be fairly easy to
accept.  Given a separation of the two, it can sometimes be easier to find
appropriate compromises and appropriate boundaries.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 9:55 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <>

> Hi,
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:37 PM Joan Touzet <> wrote:
> > ...In a way, it feels a bit like having had bypass surgery, I
> > guess :)
> Indeed, thank you very much for sharing this!
> I think the conclusion at this point is that large code drops are not
> *necessarily* damaging to a community but handling them requires a lot
> of attention and work. Along with a strong will of the contributors to
> help the community in the long term, as opposed to just dropping code
> and moving on.
> -Bertrand
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